That's easy. pgabriel will reply you with: "Just because Mo T had one no look over the back pass in one game, it does not prove that he is a good passer" (Yao Ming proved it though since he had two such passes )
Mo T is a better over all player right now. Mo is also more compatible to play with Yao until EG develops a shot. EG should learn from the bench and rework his laser like shot that comes up short everytime.
I gotta lobby for Mo to keep coming off the bench, but ONLY if Rice is in the starting lineup. Because I absolutely agree with all those who have said there's no way that Posey AND Griffen should EVER be in the game at the same time!! It just puts WAY TOO MUCH PRESSURE on Yao, Steve and Cat. Oh, and for what it's worth, I also believe that Mo is a much better passer than Eddie. The guy's whole game is finesse. I just wish he would use that enormous body of his to beat the sh*t out of people on the defensive end of the court!!
man let may just say this, its no fun if I think Im right all the time. Its impossible to have a good discussion and really listen to the otherside when I hold on to an opinion for dear life. we're discussing different perspectives on basketball, not holding on to some internal faith. after hearing another out and thinking "hey he may have good point, I didnt look at it that way before" that does not mean I'm weak and a loser of some great debate. my point is its ok to gain a different perspective on some things and change ones opinion. pgabriel, Now, Mo Taylor is in a zone right now and he's a solid basketball player. His rebounding is weak but as a team where not really hurting in that area, but we desperatey need his shooting skills. And dont even talk about his passing skills, that is weak, we need him to score, not pass like Rick Barry. the bitternes has to end..wait...oh no..dont tell me your mad at Mo Taylor just cause he didnt chill with you at Subway Sandwiches like he did with that one poster(3 pointer). hmm, maybe, maybe no.
Damn guys, why are you going out of your way to argue with pgabriel when he obviously isn't trying to CONVERSE, he's just trying to talk. See, the difference is, when you converse, you exchange ideas. When you talk, you just talk. Right now, pgabriel is just being ignorant of everyone else's comments. Here's my take on the argument: There is a trade-off between Griff and Mo. Griff brings rebounding and shotblocking, while Mo brings unspectacular, but decent, positional defense and high percentage scoring on the inside. He also has more experience and is a better passer. Right now, we need the early offense. Mo produces as soon as he comes in, implying that he can still be that first quarter spark we had 2 years ago with our 45 win team. We still need EG, and he'll get solid minutes, around 30 minutes a game, depending on Mo's play, the opposing PF, and whther or not Cato is healthy. Right now, get that first quarter spark we need from Mo, and when/if he gets into foul trouble, bring in EG to saprk the team/crowd with blocks while not worrying about fouls because he's the backup. EG is simply not ready. MoT handles the PF position better. But we still need Griffin.
Oh, here's the MOST important thin that I left out: MoT demands 2 things on offense: 1) The ball in the post, regardless of whether it's him or Yao 2) Francis' respect as a scorer Just think about how important those 2 things are.
I put out stats and I'm reaching, you guys are reaching. Stats are stats are stats, the guy has never averaged over 1.6 assists a game. That's the PLAIN TRUTH.
See this is exactly what I'm arguing against, you guys have these knee jerk reactions just because a players scoring well. I never said he couldn't score, I said he shouldn't be a starter for the same negatives you listed. Tell me this, if Mo Taylor starts, then the second group off the bench will be Cato, Griffin, Moochie with either Steve or Francis, and Rice. That's exactly two scorers, with no low post threat. Are we going to give the ball to Cato or Griffin, exactly, we don't need Mo Taylor in the starting line up.
Many on this board will share their opinion that there shouldn't necessarily be 2 waves, or 2 teams. Instead, spot substitutions, depending on the progress of the game. However, I'll argue that I'm comfortable with a 2nd team of Cato, EG, (insert small forward), Mobley, Norris. You know why? Name a 2nd string C who's as good as Cato. Believe it or not, Cato CAN be a post presence on the 2nd team, and an effective one at that. Furthermore, EG might actually develop a better post game if he's playing against Malik Rose instead of Tim Duncan. Plus, both Mobley & Norris can penetrate, a defensive change & thus a mismatch (if they don't have the layup).
Hey, I don't like Rudy T's robotic substitution pattern either, but if he is going to stick to his guns, and we know he is, I would rather have Mo Taylor's scoring punch with the second unit, because even though Cato is a good back up, he'll never be an offensive center.
Francis and Mobley play over 40 minutes a game, there is plenty of offense when the second stringers come in.
You keep saying that Mo Taylor is the second best passer on the team with no proof. I argue with facts. Fact Mo Taylor as a starter with the Clippers in 99-00, led his team in scoring, only averaged 1.6 assists a game. That's his best year as a pro in every category. Then I provided a list of 7 powerforwards, who lead their team in scoring and average more assists than Mo Taylor did, in his best season. Those forwards averaged more points and assists, two of them, Nowitski and Brand are considered ball hogs. But back to the FACTS, all you have to respond to FACTS and STATS, is but are you watching the game. Yes I do. You know next time I get pulled over for speeding, and the cop says I was doing 60 in a 50 MPH zone, I'm going to say yeah that's a fact, but you weren't actually watching me drive.
Fact, this won't be Yao's best season, Mo Taylor has been in the league since 97-98. Fact, when Taylor was a Rookie, he averaged a whopping .7 assists, fact Yao averages 1.7 assists as a rookie so your stats are wrong also.
I did answer your question, first of all your stat was wrong, if you read the post, second of all Yao averages a full assist more than Mo Taylor did as a Rookie, Comparing Apples to Apples, and second he averages more now and more than Taylor did in his best year. So yes Yao is a better passer.
These are assist averages according to you. Yao's assist average THIS SEASON is around 1.7. Comparing "apples to apples," THIS SEASON, MoT is averaging something like .96. I ask you again, do you consider Yao to be a bad passer? The question is NOT is Yao a better passer than MoT. The question is, do YOU consider Yao to be a bad passer?
Your analogy sucks. You're basing your arguments PURELY on stats alone, and stats doesn't tell you much sometimes. I'll ask you one question. Stevie is averaging 6 assist a game. Does that mean he's a better passer than someone who's averaging 5 a game? Our best passer on the team is Yao, but how can he be averaging only under 2 assists a game? Based on your theory, stevie is the best passer on our team because he racks up the most assists, right?
Yeah, what I want to know about your stats-based logic is how many assists per game must a player average in order to be considered a good passer.
Exactly who IS a good passer on our team? Our team doesn't average 19 assists, our PG barely averages 6, and I don't think anyone else averages 3. Who cares what you're saying. If it's about passing, there's no doubting Mo T is a better passer than EG. Another thing....When you're shooting 50% from the field, how much do you need to pass exactly per 20.2 minutes per game to be considered a good passer? Hell, Andre Miller averages 10 assists, but some people still argue that he's not a good passer.
