Honestly i would love this trade if it was possible. We would get our backup plus another scorer who is like d. wade.
I don't get the Board's fascination with Davis, Camby, and Nash. Those players are no longer assets. They are liabilities... big money, questionable personalities/effort, fading skills, and difficult to move in a trade. Morey is all about collecting assets. Get with the program people.
i don't get to watch the clippers often enough, so idk about baron and camby. but how's nash any of these things?
I don't think anyone would take on that overpaid thug, Zach Randolph in this market. So look for the Clips to actively shop Chris Kaman and Baron Davis. You can bet your ass that Donald Sterling would jump at the chance to trade those guys for an expiring contract like McGrady has. It looks like the Clips want to build around the core of Gordon/Griffin/Thornton.
I would trade Baron Davis straight up for T-Mac. Forget Camby or Gordon. But keep in mind that T-Mac won't return until probably late Jan.
Davis is a good guy. He plays hard on the right team, his teammates can like him, and he's great for the community. Nash is also a good guy. I don't understand the " questionable personality " comment you made like he was Michael Vick. And Camby's not a bad guy either.
That says it all. Incidentally, I don't argue that with the fact he puts up great numbers. My argument is that he plays to put up great numbers. Yes, he gets lots of blocked shots. Lots of them come from shots that wouldn't have even gone up in the first place if he played decent defense. I'm well aware of the limitations of Chuck Hayes. I'm aware we could use some size at back up center. I'd still take Chuck Hayes over Marcus Camby every day and twice on Sunday. He plays hard every time he steps on the floor and he never worries about anything but winning.
According to numerous accounts, Nash does not care to play defense. I'm not sure about that, but according to my eyes, he doesn't play defense... whether that's effort or skill doesn't really matter.
Agreed. Every team starts at 0 wins 0 losses at the start of the season with hopes of making the playoffs if pieces fit correctly. Why in the hell would a GM take a chance on T-Mac who has the big huge question mark over his head related to when he will able to play again? Its just too big a gamble.
Several problems with your logic. 1) You've assumed Grady is an asset. 2) You've ignored the closing window of opportunity that is the oft-injured Yao. They had enough fire power to get the 2nd round without Grady. IMHO, they have enough firepower with Yao to get to the WCFinals w/o Grady. If Grady is NO asset, AND you have a finite amount of time AND younger players don't have the contract size to match Grady AND the team plays much better in uptempo...then you look at all available options including uptempo PG's with established credentials.
He may be a liability on defense, but Nash is stellar on offense. Shooting nearly 50% from every spot on the floor, great decision maker, great passer, eager to share the ball, etc. Putting him in the camp with a guy like Baron Davis is pathetic. Davis is an abysmal shooter/scorer. He's not much better than Rafer Alston (if he is at all) but he takes more shots.
The Clips' 1st order of business is simple - talk to OKC. Make a great deal for the #3 pick. Thunder NEEDS Blake Griffin. Clippers roster cannot support Blake Griffin. Therefore, threaten to deal with Griz. Demand OKC take back ZBo, but OKC will take a flyer. So, Kamen, Rickie D or Collins & the #1 overall for #3, Green and Collison or Watson. Something like that. AFTER Clips conclude this THEN they can attention McG; question becomes then: would DM the GM pay attention?
Clippers don't want McGrady, they just want his expired contract. The question is do we want Baron Davis bad contract.
No, I didn't think of TMac as an asset, though his contract has the potential to be the bait that acquires assets. The closing window of opportunity is not really a factor now. It was much more applicable to McGrady's skills. Yao will be what he is for several more years. I just don't see Morey crunching numbers and coming up with a scenario that says make a trade where Davis, Camby, or Nash are the primary pieces. Again, Nash will be 36, Camby is 35, Davis came into the league the same year Francis did, has back problems, and has not kept himself in the best condition. Again, none of those guys are assets at this point in their careers.
Very true. I'm assuming you think we need to dump Aaron Brooks right? Von Wafer needs to go. Carl Landry needs to go. Luis Scola needs to go. I agree that defense is important, but you need offense as well. Nash has his limitations, but they are nowhere near as bad Baron Davis.
