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Jussie Smollett attack

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by TheresTheDagger, Feb 14, 2019.

  1. MojoMan

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    People on the right are the ones that want racism stopped. People who identify with the SJW/BLM/NAACP/CBC/"Identity politics" obsessed Democrat left would be positively apoplectic if racism were to be stopped in this country. As it stands, racism is an absolutely indispensable central component of Democrat left politics.

    It is you people who are opposed to stopping racism. I would like to see it stopped today. Of course that means all racism should be stopped, and not just certain racism, depending on what a person's "race" is, with certain groups being exempt.

    You are opposed to that. Man up and admit it.
     
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    So this dude was ready to testify against two innocent people. What a piece of ****.

     
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  4. Buck Turgidson

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    Yep, he deserves all the bad things that are about to rain down on him.
     
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  5. robbie380

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    Lmao what a nut job. At least he was all in.
     
  6. jcf

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    I think the issue for me seems to be that the meaning of "believing the victim" has evolved.

    At the beginning o the "me too" movement, it felt like an accusation by itself was sufficient for public shaming and perhaps economic consequences. It didn't seem at least to me that (outside of a courtroom) there was any tolerance for even suggesting that the allege wrongdoer was innocent or that the accuser was wrong. (that was simply how it felt to me and maybe it wasnt from corners but that was the vibe from Rose McGowen, et al).

    Now if "believe the victim" means claims are worthy of investigation, that's great.

    But the words are a poor choice for that sentiment because it implies that the accused is guilty until demonstrated otherwise (in court of public opinion).

    I am glad that we seem to be moving past that.
     
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    It is better to be infamous than to never be famous at all.
     
  8. Buck Turgidson

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    The court of public opinion needs to calm the hell down for a bit and let things get investigated, instead of the instantaneous social media sh!tstorms we've grown accustomed to.

    "Believe the victim" is now the mandate from the National Association of Chiefs of Police wrt sexual assault complaints, which historically were quite often just dismissed out of hand by law enforcement before anything was ever even investigated.
     
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  9. MojoMan

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    However, 'Believe the self proclaimed victim' is not the mandate of the law and the US constitution. So, which should we respect more here?
     
  10. Buck Turgidson

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    If you called the cops and said "I just got robbed", would you expect them to believe you and investigate your claims?
     
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    Let's remember, his hoax wasn't getting enough attention so he had to up the stakes to try to get some.
    You are insane - you back a racist president who embraces neo-nazis and david duke and constantly attacks mexicans, blacks, and Muslims - and who has already put in place discriminatory policies against even Indians to cut immigration from that country.

    You are the enemy.
     
  12. tallanvor

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    the fact that you tacked on 'and investigate your claims' is telling.

    why not just say:

    If you called the cops and said "I just got robbed", would you expect them to believe you?

    The answer is that it shouldn't matter if they believe me. They investigate either way.
     
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    Good info on Police Association. So, I still don't love the term to the extent it seems to prejudge the accused, I agree it is a heck of a lot better than having the police ignore complaints.

    On the other crimes ("robbed"), as a complete aside, I think the police tend to always take the victim seriously unless there are facts pointing a different direction. I will say that when the victim is one whose spouse has just been killed, I think the police tend to always view the surviving spouse as the initial suspect.
     
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    he was making a million a year as a not famous actor. now he in jail.
     
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    Jussie Smollet is gonna love prison.
     
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  16. jcf

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    If this was truly his motivation, he wasn't even standing up for his beliefs in a twisted, misguided way. He was chasing the buck. Wow. He is toast.
     
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    Dude robbed those Nigerian Trump supporters. Should have paid them more.
     
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    I would expect them to take my claims seriously and investigate them. That would not require them to "believe" me. It is absurd to expect others to "just believe" allegations that are uncorroborated and unsubstantiated.
     
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    Not telling at all, particularly as I said wrt sexual assault complaints. They were quite often never seriously investigated, and the complainants were often viewed through an adversarial lens, hence the action by the IACP to issue to issue guidelines to that effect.

    Read up on it here if you want: https://www.theiacp.org/resources/sexual-assault-response-policy-and-training-content-guidelines
     
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  20. Harrisment

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    Holy crap, the DA just laid out every single detail related to how they planned and executed this. That was amazing.
     

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