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Jury recommends 90-year sentence for teen in Spring pipe attack

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by coolweather, Dec 11, 2006.

  1. A_3PO

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    No way it's excessive. 30 years guaranteed is right on the money. If he's a hard case in prison, he will be there for life. Actions have consequences. Very severe criminal actions should have very severe consequences. Their crime will gravely impair every living moment of the victim for the rest of his life. They deserve the same.

    The system worked this time. For that we can be thankful.
     
  2. halfbreed

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    Wow. What a COMPLETELY ignorant thing to say. What is your basis for that?

    You can't just go around assuming that everyone who doesn't think like you is racist. Grow up.
     
  3. Invisible Fan

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    Only if he died, but it's still a capital offense because it's a sex crime.
     
  4. Ottomaton

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    I seem to remember evidence from a previous article that made me think that Mr. Turner is a borderline sociopath/antisocial personality. I don’t think this guy has ‘lost his way’ and could be ‘scared straight’. I am distinctly of the impression that leniency in this case would have just resulted in another person getting hurt down the line.

    Why would you say something like that? Do you really think that there are regular posters on this BBS who believe it is OK to try and kill Hispanic people because of their race? Has anybody here ever made claims along those lines or said anything that would make you think this?

    I would be interested in knowing which posters you are thinking would espouse such a philosophy. I find the comments somewhat offensive unless you have specific reasoning or are willing to accuse someone.
     
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  5. Ottomaton

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    I found some sites that say that in Texas a hate crime is any crime committed 'because of bias against people of race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, gender, disability or sexual orientation.' It is a 'add-on' to the sentencing for a crime and as far as I can tell it even can be applied to nonviolent crimes. I'm almost positive that an assault based on race qualifies as a hate crime.
     
  6. rhino17

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    They had to have known the consequences. These guys wern't 8 years old, they were 17. At that point in life, they had to know that doing something like they did, ruining a kids life forever and almost ending it, was wrong. They got what they deserve. The kid very well could have died and he will never live a normal life again.
     
  7. windfern

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    The argument used by prosedcution was hate crime.
     
  8. Invisible Fan

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    You're right...I misinterpreted the original question.

    IIRC, the prosecutors could have tacked on hate crime charges, but they didn't bother to because it wouldn't have had any effect in sentencing since the victim survived.
     
  9. halfbreed

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    South Park on Hate Crime Laws: "We want to make sure that if you're going to hurt someone, you better make damn sure that person is the same color as you are."
     
  10. nyquil82

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    I was just seeing if someone would take the bait since no one seems to say why they think it's excessive. but it's the same logic that some people around here throw around that if you don't support the war on iraq, you must side with the terrorists, but that argument of course belongs in a different thread.

    What's your reasoning for thinking it's excessive?
     
  11. robbie380

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    I don't know anything about the case. it sounds horrible and disgusting. 30 surguries and more to go? that is terrible. was he really almost dead?

    I guess when I see 90 years for an aggravated sexual assault my initial reaction is that is too much considering drunk drivers who get in wrecks that injure people don't get that long.
     
  12. rodrick_98

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    the poll question isn't if the sentence is excessive, its "Do you think 90yrs is fair?"

    i voted no. drunken parties that i went to when i was 17 got out of hand and people go beat down, but to the extent that the victim got is pretty extreme. the defendant should have gotten texas justice. meaning taken around the side of the building and shot, or hung maybe.

    since that isn't going to happen, letting the both of them rot away in prison is a waste of money, if they don't learn their lessons after the first 20-30 yrs of anal rapes, what more are they going to learn with an additional 60-70 yrs?
     
  13. ArtV

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    I almost voted no because I think it should be longer - he'll be 47 when he gets out which leaves him plenty of time to do it again. Just because you failed in your attempt to take a life, shouldn't mean you get a lighter sentence. Attempted murder and murder are the same in my book.
     
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    They were sitll minors. While they should be held responsible....they are kids. Don't tell me that 17 year olds make mistakes.

    And to call this a hate crime is ridiculous. They were hanging out together and doing drugs together. Clearly racism wasn't an issue beforehand.

    I'm just saying, if you are trying to really hurt someone, you aren't going to try to put a plastic pipe up their butt. Clearly it was a prank gone terrible wrong.

    Is it just to put them in jail for 90 years? Perhaps to some. But that's not going to make the guy with 30 surgeries any better (by the way, I don't believe he had to have 30 surgeries - who has 30 surgeries??????).

    I think a few years in jail and parole with the condition that they do something to better humanity would be better justice. Let them sit in jail for a year or so and then ask them if they'd like the opportunity to dedicate their lives to a cause, and them give them parole to see if they do. If they don't, throw them back in jail.

    Famous words written above penn law school: Justice without compassion is in vain.
     
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    Clearly a prank?

    You are an idiot.
     
  16. windfern

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    Well that's not quite true. If he gets the probation that means the prison jury think that he's a new person. You need to trust that. The other question is, can he survive there alive until he's 47?
     
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    did you read the article? or are you just commenting without reading?

    not exactly a "prank" gone wrong.
     
  18. ArtV

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    I agree that the probation board should use good judgment based on his "rehabilitation results", but in the back of my mind, I fear that overcrowding results take up a significant part of the release equation - aka gotta make room for the new prisoners so I hope you learned your lesson. And I think he make 47 pretty easily as I think he'll mix in well with the white supremacist group which will give him good protection behind bars.

    I know they tell you to not take probation into account, but realistically, it's going to happen most of the time.
     
  19. JayZ750

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    Eye witnesses have one of the guys yelling "white power". I have no idea how a racist thinks, but I do know that yelling "white power" before power kicking a plastic pipe into an unconscious persons anus, if that person is not white, probably qualifies you as a racist, and qualifies your acts as hate crime.

    ok....and you know this because? I'm no "ways to hurt people" expert, but when I think "Will kicking this plastic pipe deep into this guys ass be painful for him", my answer is yes. If there is some way to accomplish what the guy did without any harm being done, or any thought process one would go through to think it was even possible, please lay that out.

    Holy crap am I really really really really really really really really glad I wasn't one of your siblings growing up.

    And putting murderers in jail doesn't bring back the victims either...should it be about that?

    awesome! thanks for giving us your personal opinion that complete disregards the facts of the case.

    they can make liscense plates in jail, right? do they still do that? And what the hell...shouldn't everyone be doing things every day to try and better humanity? so punishment here is to just force them to do it?

    good idea. let's let these morons decide what they want to do with their lives. shoot, it worked out so well when they were in charge last time.

    this guy may be paroled when he is 47 years old. If that's not compassion, I don't know what is.

    Random question: If someone who really really really really hates you, and is a violent person already, was allowed to beat you up and then rape you with a plastic pipe buried up your anus, and knew his punishment would only be a year in jail followed by dedicating himself to some human cause (which again, people do anyway)...you're saying if he goes ahead and accepts that deal, and does it to you, you're okay with that "sentence"
     
  20. Highwire

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    Oh yes.

    This is a good lesson for those white power rangers out there.
     

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