I don't remember saying anything about forgiving him. I think to say there should be no diplomatic relations ignores that you can affect change by engaging another country. Also, it means that you lock yourself into only punative options in foreign policy.
which wonders were worked by the 12 years of sanctions on iraq? the annialation of the marsh arabs? the hundreds of thousands of iraqi children who died? the massive corruption at the UN? the continued development of iraqi WMD? which, pray tell?
She's come under some criticism is a long way from 'nothing she ever writes can be correct' - of course undoubtably you'll be quoting her next week when she writes something you like ala the Associated Press, Al Jazeera, Nikki Keddi, Alan Dershowitz and wikipedia (big lol).
Sanctions can be effective, or not. Has it changed anything in Cuba? Yeah but not what it was designed to change. Has it changed anything in Libya? It appears so. It's not a cure all, just one more option that may or may not work depending on the situation and the goal.
I called her a fraud.....i didn't say 'nothing she ever writes can be correct'....looks like another point for pavlov as you prove him correct again
Ah, so she is a 'fraud' but what she writes can be correct. Thanks for that! That's a really insightful comment, lol.
The complete stifling of Iraq's WMD program, as determined by your president's handpicked representative, and the crippling of Hussein as even a regional threat via the dismantlement of his economy. This is the reality of the world we live in, not the fake world of Curveball and Mobile Weapons Labs and secret Syrian bunkers. BTW, I said sanctions worked when they were multilateral. The US embargo of cuba is very much unilateral. When it comes to Cuba policy - the US is the pariah in the international community. That's a consequence of letting the former colonial elite put a stranglehold on a sensible Cuba policy, despite the fact that they are one of the few things more out of touch than Castro hiself.
i thought clinton was responsible- he destroyed them all by bombing in 1998, correct? that's what you've maintained for the past 3 years.
Yup, and that's what the government discovered, you're right. Clinton wiped whatever was left from 91 off the map and sanctions kept it that way.
Judy-Baby vs. Time by Gordon Prather May 20, 2006 http://www.antiwar.com/prather/?articleid=9012 Judy, Judy, Judy! Undeterred by her 85 days in jail, the neo-crazy media sycophant is at it again, this time in the Wall Street Journal. According to Judith Miller: "When Libya dramatically declared on Dec. 19, 2003, that it was abandoning its rogue ways, President Bush and other senior officials praised Libya and Moammar al-Gadhafi, the surviving dean of Arab revolutionary leaders, as a model that other rogue states might follow. "In fact, the still largely secret talks that helped prompt Libya's decision, and the joint American-British dismantlement of its weapons programs in the first four months of 2004, remain the administration's sole undeniable – if largely unheralded – intelligence and nonproliferation success." Unfortunately for Judy and Bush-Cheney success stories, Time has just revealed it’s been talking to Gaddafi, his son, Seif al Islam, and various Libyan officials since – perhaps even before – the Bush-Cheney inaugural. "As early as February of 2001 [Muammar] Gaddafi told Time that he was dramatically shifting Libya’s strategic orientation, seeking normal relations with the West and an alignment with Africa rather than the Middle East. "While Gaddafi indicates that geopolitical shifts like the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Palestinian decision to negotiate with Israel and the increasing spread of Islamic extremism forced him to change course, he believes that it was his atomic bomb program that enabled him to deal with the West from a position of strength. "Despite President Bush's avowed goal of spreading democracy in the Middle East, Gaddafi's hold on power may be stronger than it was two decades ago, when President Reagan denounced him as a 'mad dog' who threatened global security with a 'reign of terror.' In 1986, in response to a terrorist bombing in Berlin that killed two American servicemen, U.S. aircraft bombed targets, including Gaddafi's home, in what amounted to an aerial assassination attempt." About 100 civilians were reportedly killed in the assassination attempt, including Gadhafi's daughter. Although warned of the attack the night before, Muammar insisted on sleeping in the Presidential palace against the opinion of his advisors. Gadhafi was apparently convinced that the Americans would never strike a civilian target. According to TIME, actual negotiations began shortly after Libya formally accepted "responsibility" – but not guilt – for the downing of a PanAm flight over Lockerbie, Scotland. "As those negotiations neared their conclusion with a partial lifting of sanctions, Seif al Islam secretly met with three MI6 officers in a hotel room in London’s posh Mayfair district late one Sunday afternoon in March 2003. "Seif al Islam opened the discussion by saying that Libya proposed a strategic dialogue on mutual concerns starting with extremism. He recalls their surprise when he quickly agreed that Libya could begin by making a sincere effort to address WMD concerns." According to Time, in a face-to-face meeting in Tripoli with top MI6 and CIA officials in September 2003, Muammar Gaddafi agreed "in principle to throw its WMD projects wide open to an MI6-CIA team of technical experts." And how does neo-crazy sycophant Judith spin all this? Well, she says Gadhafi’s decision to abandon his nuclear programs effectively came in September, 2002, and resulted from Bush’s increasingly obvious – except to most Americans – intention to invade Iraq. In particular, Miller cites "stories sourced to senior Israeli officials [which] accused Iraq of having sent nuclear physicists to Libya to work on a joint weapons program." She also "reports" that about that time, Muammar Gadhafi called Silvio Berlusconi – then Prime Minister of Italy – saying he feared he would be Bush’s next target after he finished with Iraq. According to Miller, according to one typically-unnamed "diplomat," Gadhafi told Berlusconi to "tell them I will do whatever they want." Miller also reports that in early March, 2003, "Saif and Musa Jusa, a top Libyan intelligence official, contacted the British to say that Col. Gadhafi wanted to ‘clear the air’ about WMD programs in exchange for assurance that the US would not try to topple his regime." Miller claims that "Saif told me that the decision to abandon WMD ‘was my own initiative,’ an astonishing assertion that no diplomat believes." But even neo-crazy media sycophant Miller reports that: "While he rejected the administration's argument that his father had been frightened into abandoning WMD by the invasion of Iraq, the timing of Libya's overture to the British and Americans was affected by the invasion. "'I saw WMD as a card in our hands,' he [Seif] said. The invasion of Iraq was 'the best time to play that card.'"
