Judge Rules Reciting Pledge in Public School is Unconstitutional

pippendagimp · Sep 17, 2005

screw the pledge.....i wanna know why all my dough says "IN GOD WE TRUST" on the back.....especially in light of the fact that the dollar's lost over 96% of its purchasing power in the past century.....it seems God hasn't really managed to earn even a nickel or dime of my trust!

SamFisher · Sep 17, 2005

Ottomaton said:

This displays a remarkable lack of understanding of the role of case law as precident which is a legal concept predating the United States, and inherently stated from the first meeting of the Supreme Court.
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I know what case law and "precident" are, probably more so than you do, and can even spell them correctly in a pinch.

Anyway, I'll excuse your lack of familiarity with the Lemon test, and the fact that establishment clause law is a complete mess, and the excellent arguments given last year in the pledge case before the court, chronicled here. You're welcome.

MR. MEOWGI · Sep 17, 2005

u851662 said:

HUH? Its common sense man. Not hard at all. Like I said, In America I expect my kid to say the pledge as it is. Period. We dont say Allah here.

If my kid was in India and they said a pledge that included Allah, I would tell my kid, not to say it. I wouldnt try to force their government to remove it. I would tell my kid while others are saying buddha you just say under God. No big deal. If my kid got flack from the school leaders, I would tell him not to recite it at all or we would just have to move. It is there country and we will abide by their rules. This is my country and others need to abide by our rules. Why do some people make it as though America has to change everything about it to make America "politically" Correct for others. I am leaving for Iraq next week and while I am on their soil, i will abide by their rules, not to disrespect their religion or anything. I will read my Bible in the privacy of my own trailer. When Ramadan comes, I will respect it every way I am told how to. Period. It is their country and I respect that. Any other questions?
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Neat. Posts like this make me want to change it even more. I can't wait. Good riddance God!

Rocket River · Sep 17, 2005

MartianMan said:

999 just isn't good enough.

Here's what wikipedia (cult) says:

"In religion and sociology, a cult is a relatively small and cohesive group of people (often a new religious movement) devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture or society considers to be far outside the mainstream. Its marginal status may come about either due to its novel belief system or because of its idiosyncratic practices."

As you can see, a cult is generally small in number and also cohesive, but those terms can apply to plenty of 'legitimate' religious groups as well.

The second criteria is a subjective analysis of the minority belief by the majority. Very ambiguous.

In conclusion, a cult is just a tool used by mainstream religions to persecute smaller religions and/or differentiate themselves from those practicing a belief system different from theirs.
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so the beleif in NO GOD could be beleive as a somewhat Religion or Cult

Rocket River

MartianMan · Sep 17, 2005

Rocket River said:

so the beleif in NO GOD could be beleive as a somewhat Religion or Cult

Rocket River
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That depends on the definition of religion you are using.

If you define religion as what a person believes, then yes, everything and everybody has a "religion" But that definition is so general, it misleads people to believe that atheism shares much more with Christianity, Islam, etc. than it actually does. A Christian not only believes in a higher power, but practices rituals, follow teachings from the bible, deal with questions about the after-life, and much more. An atheist does not believe a God exist. That is all.

Usually a religion is defined as an organized group of people, with a shared belief in a higher power, that deals with metaphysical concepts, and provides a guide to life in theory and practice. Usually there exists a morality code.

Dreamshake · Sep 18, 2005

u851662 said:

HUH? Its common sense man. Not hard at all. Like I said, In America I expect my kid to say the pledge as it is. Period. We dont say Allah here.
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What are you proposterously trying to claim here? That there arent millions upon millions of AMERICANS who dont use allah? Or that only your Christian term of "God" is acceptable.

Either way, AMERICA does not = God. No matter what you want to believe.

bobrek · Sep 18, 2005

Dreamshake said:

What are you proposterously trying to claim here? That there arent millions upon millions of AMERICANS who dont use allah? Or that only your Christian term of "God" is acceptable.

Either way, AMERICA does not = God. No matter what you want to believe.
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In 2002 there were only about 1% Muslims in America, so that would be less than 3 million total.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html

I think what he is trying to claim is that America is 75%+ Christian and the norm in this country is to refer to God as God.

u851662 · Sep 18, 2005

Dreamshake said:

What are you proposterously trying to claim here? That there arent millions upon millions of AMERICANS who dont use allah? Or that only your Christian term of "God" is acceptable.

Either way, AMERICA does not = God. No matter what you want to believe.
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What I meant was in America we say "God" in the pledge, not "Allah". The other guy asked me about putting Allah in the pledge would I be offended? I was answering to him if Allah was what another country said in its pledge so be it. In our pledge we say "God" as well, so be it.

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