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Judge Removed From Office

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocketman95, Nov 13, 2003.

  1. SamFisher

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    Removal of a granite monument is no biggy.... unless you worship MORADIN, the Dwarven god of stone! (at right)



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  2. Perrin

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    faith had ZERO to do with this stunt

    ambition & greed & vanity had more to do with it

    this guy just wants to run for higher office and thought this lil stunt would be his ticket to the Governor's office.
     
  3. RocketMan Tex

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    Alabama did the right thing by removing him.

    Now he is free to practice his faith while flipping burgers for minimum wage.
     
  4. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    This is a textbook case of civil disobedience, which is why I find it particularly astonishing that certain liberal posters are coming out against this judge's actions. The judge's beliefs in God superceded his beliefs in the laws of the land. The spotlight is brighter since the guy is a judge, but the example stands nonetheless.
     
  5. MadMax

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    hey..i'm critical of what the guy did...but how in the world can you presume to know this man's faith in God??
     
  6. ROCKSS

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    The truth is you have no basis for your statement. I dont mind a discussion but please dont act like you know what his motives are. In this cynical world I guess it`s to much to think that the guy simply stuck to his belief, even if the majority of people do not agree with it.
     
  7. HootOwl

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    Yep. And since he is a judge, and sworn to uphold the laws of the land, it is fitting that he be removed. His personal religious beliefs can't supercede his duties as judge.
     
  8. Rocketman95

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    I would respect the guy a lot more if he'd have simply resigned when the court order came down. Or went on a tirade about how wrong he believes the ruling was, but still voluntarily removed the monument. Maybe, even if he wasn't planning on appealing the decision.

    But he's not, which leads me to believe that he has other motives other than his faith.
     
  9. Perrin

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    I am not questioning his faith in God.

    I am just saying he has carried this stunt out for purposes other than demostrating his faith in God.


    Why else would he gab to anyone who would listen about how it was so wrong that video cameras wouldn't be allowed into his diciplinary hearing? He wanted cameras there to record his "sermon".

    just my impression of the whole thing...
     
  10. Perrin

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    you gave your views

    I give mine

    we discuss

    that is how it works

    no one knows his true motivation except Roy Moore
     
  11. Timing

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    I don't think you've really read much about this guy.
     
  12. Oski2005

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    I saw a video of that, (in my best Tracy Morgan) "it was hilarious!"


    I am with madmax on this one. This does seem an awful lot like idolatry. You guys should have seen the eyes of some of these protesters when they were removing the monument, it was like they were seeing Jesus get crucified or something.

    This judge needs to read up on his history as well. When he mentions the possibility of "under God" being removed from the Pledge, he makes it seem like it's always been there. The truth, and Moore probably has no clue, isthat he's been alive longer than the phrase "under god" has been in the Pledge.
     
  13. Perrin

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    This guy is either mentally ill or is purposely twisting this issue into something it never was about.


    http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/11/13/cnna.moore/


    O'BRIEN: How do you like hearing it that way, as "former Justice Moore"?

    MOORE: Well, of course, Miles, I don't like to hear it that way, but I guess that's the way it's going to be right now.

    We're still pursuing maybe an appeal in this case to the Supreme Court, and then maybe more than that. But we'll take their verdict right now, knowing that it's completely adverse to our (state) Constitution, and our Constitution of the United States.

    O'BRIEN: Why will you continue to appeal this? Why continue the fight?

    MOORE: Well, because it's very wrong for a public official to be excluded from his office because of his religious beliefs and the acknowledgement of God. The acknowledgement of God is a predicate upon which this nation and our country was founded. It's contained in the First Amendment. The very first amendment gives us the right to acknowledge God. And our state Constitution says that our justice system is established upon God. That's what this issue is about, whether or not a state official can acknowledge God, and the court said we cannot.

    O'BRIEN: Mr. Moore, isn't it more about how the justice system works, and how you knowingly, willingly, defiantly thumbed your nose at that justice system and its rules?

    MOORE: Absolutely not, sir. It's the way the justice system works, you're correct. What is the rule of law? Is it the rule of a court? Is it the rule of a judge that's unelected and unrepentant of his behavior toward the Constitution of the United States? I think that it is about the Constitution. It is about what the rule of law is. And the rule of law is ...

    O'BRIEN: Mr. Moore, if other judges had thumbed their noses on some of your orders from your previous perch, how would you have reacted to that?

    MOORE: Judges, or anyone else, should thumb their nose at an unlawful order. Indeed, (U.S. Army) Lt. (William) Calley in the '60s was prosecuted for killing innocent civilians at My Lai because he said he followed the orders of his superior officer, when indeed, the court said you shouldn't follow an unlawful order, and indeed today, we should not follow unlawful orders of federal judges who undermine the constitutions of our state and our nation, and that's exactly what's happening in the federal judiciary.

    O'BRIEN: You're a very popular man in Alabama. Lots of talk about how this has laid the groundwork for a potential political campaign for yourself. Have you contemplated that? Do you have any thoughts about it? Or will you in fact, as we've reported just a few moments ago, run for your old job?

    MOORE: Well, I don't know what I'll do in the future. We'll make that decision in the future. But right now, we're just going to take each day at a time and realize that we're not apologetic for upholding the oath of our office. That's, indeed, our duty, and we'll continue to do that.

    O'BRIEN: Do you have any regrets at all in picking this fight?

    MOORE: Absolutely no regrets. We've done what we swore to do. When I took office, I said I would uphold the moral foundation of our law. That I have done. I have not denied God. That's exactly what they asked me to do to hold office, and I said I could not. They removed me.
     
  14. AroundTheWorld

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    The guy is a freaking idiot looking for publicity. Removing him was the right thing to do. Now the media should ignore him.
     

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