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Josh Howard intentionally trips Yao Ming

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by GMAC, Oct 31, 2008.

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caneks said:

That is why I think we need Deke. Yao is lack of this kind of spirit, he needs to make a flagrant foul at that situation to earn respect.
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Man, think about your kids. They need a moral model--Yao, who never fights in his career, especially not with guys like Josh Howard. .

#121 lcmeng, Oct 31, 2008

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Yeah, I thought it was intentional also. Could sort of see it coming in the way he whined for a foul call and bumped Yao a few times before they came down the court. That foul was also pretty blatantly a swing at Yao and not the ball...

I have to say I was really impressed by Reggie Miller standing up for Ron throughout the game last night and during that incident. He's absolutely right that it was a technical called on reputation - if any other player had run in there to grab Yao and pull him back (other than maybe Sheed) then there would have never been a tech called.

#122 Hanbin, Oct 31, 2008
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The Mavericks fell apart after they realized that kind of crap won't go un-Artested.

They got skeert.

Nitwitski and cHoward scored like 3 points between them in the 4th.

#123 Rashmon, Oct 31, 2008
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It definitely looks like he cut a half-step out of his stride so he could swing his foot out and catch Yao's leg. What a punk b****.

#124 ClutchCityReturns, Oct 31, 2008
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This b**** Josh looks very dangerous. Better watch out.

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#125 Zfan, Oct 31, 2008
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Watch the first vedio with more times, I found Dirk Nowitzki elbowed Yao when Yao walked back. Did you find it? Maybe this made Yao get more angry.

Wish all clutchfans enjoy happy Halloween.

#126 zichouxing, Oct 31, 2008
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graffiti said:

I've watched dozens of Rockets games just in the last couple of years, In Person. If you think officials calling moving picks on Yao started after Cuban's complain, then you're the one who's not paying attention. Van Gundy had long been protesting official's calls on Yao's picks way before they ever met the Mavs in the playoffs. Go get your record straight.

And by the way, I think they are moving picks. Technically, you could call a foul on Yao every time he sets one of those and the defender runs into him. But this is the NBA, players get a lot of leeway.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3436401

The letter alleging referees altered games mentions only the year 2005, but the circumstances make it apparent that it is referring to the Rockets-Mavs series.

"Team 3 lost the first two games in the series and Team 3's Owner complained to NBA officials," the letter says. "Team 3's Owner alleged that referees were letting a Team 4 player get away with illegal screens. NBA Executive Y told Referee Supervisor Z that the referees for that game were to enforce the screening rules strictly against that Team 4 player. Referee Supervisor Z informed the referees about his instructions. As an alternate referee for that game, Tim also received these instructions."

Mavs owner Mark Cuban did in fact complain after his team lost the first two games of the series, and Dallas went on to beat Houston in seven games. Van Gundy said that a working referee had told him about the league's plan. Donaghy's letter claims that Supervisor Z contacted the coach. Van Gundy was ultimately fined $100,000.
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Bottom line is that Cuban is a whiny b**** and will cry about anything and everything that could possibly give his team an advantage.

#127 ClutchCityReturns, Oct 31, 2008

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Josh "Pothead" Howard should get suspended for tripping Yao. Come on guys, don't tell me you did'nt see the leg extension? Mavs is going down hard in Toyota Center. The guy has high IQ on the game but not in person. Another one of those unsportsman like freak!

#128 KALIKULI, Oct 31, 2008
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graffiti said:

I've watched dozens of Rockets games just in the last couple of years, In Person. If you think officials calling moving picks on Yao started after Cuban's complain, then you're the one who's not paying attention. Van Gundy had long been protesting official's calls on Yao's picks way before they ever met the Mavs in the playoffs. Go get your record straight.
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No, get YOUR record straight. That series was flagged by Tim Donaghy.

NBA referee report on 2005 Rockets-Mavs series said:

Part of the report referred to events of the 2005 playoff series between the Rockets and the Dallas Mavericks.

• Full report from nba.com

• More on Lawrence Pedowitz's report on Tim Donaghy.

http://blogs.chron.com/sportsupdate/archives/2008/10/nba_referee_rep.html

Team 3's Owner alleged that referees were letting a Team 4 player get away with illegal screens. NBA Executive Y told Referee Supervisor Z that the referees for that game were to enforce the screening rules strictly against that Team 4 player. Referee Supervisor Z informed the referees about his instructions. As an alternate referee for that game, Tim also received these instructions. The referees followed the league's instructions and Team 3 came back from behind to win the series. The NBA benefited from this because it prolonged the series, resulting in more tickets sold and more televised games.

Referee Supervisor Z told Tim that he had contacted the Team 4 coach about the NBA's instructions. The NBA launched a secret investigation, except that the investigation did not relate to the team that received preferential treatment. Rather, the NBA fined the Team 4 coach $100,000 for not disclosing the name of the official who had informed him of the behind-the-scenes instructions. The NBA was concerned only with keeping secret the leaks of behind-the-scenes instructions...

These allegations clearly refer to the Round 1 Western Conference playoff series between the Dallas Mavericks ("Team 3") and the Houston Rockets ("Team 4") and the well-known controversy over whether referees were told to "target" Yao Ming of Houston ("Team 4 player").

The thrust of Donaghy's allegations seems to be that the NBA sought to extend
the playoff series by instructing referees to call more fouls on one of Houston's star players. As we explain below, we have found no evidence that anyone in NBA management or any referees who officiated the series sought to do anything other than get the calls in this series right. Nor have we discovered any evidence that the NBA instructed referees to call illegal screens more "strictly," or differently, on Yao Ming than on other players, or to make erroneous calls...

We have been able to determine the following based on interviews, a review of
the League's investigative files from the time and a review of press and other public materials:

The Dallas Mavericks lost the first two games of its 2005 playoff series with the Houston Rockets. Both games were played in Dallas. Following each game, Dallas owner Mark Cuban ("Team 3's Owner") contacted the League and flagged a substantial number of calls that he believed were incorrect. In particular, following Game 2, Cuban sent two emails to the League complaining about twenty-nine alleged "moving screens" he claimed had been set by Houston's Yao Ming during the first two games. This type of complaint was not unusual, but for the large number of plays that were questioned. Coaches, general managers and owners will often contact the League to complain about particular calls or plays ― even when their team has won the game, although not as frequently as when they lose. For many years, the League has believed it appropriate to take such complaints from teams and to respond. To the extent that errors are identified during this process, the information is then communicated back to the complaining team, and often also back to the referees to prevent them from making similar errors in the future, without advising the referees that a team made a complaint. During this time period, Stu Jackson, Executive Vice President for Basketball Operations, Ronnie Nunn, Director of Officials, or someone else from Basketball Operations would review complained-of plays; Jackson or Nunn would then respond by either email or phone to the coach, general manager or owner.

Nunn reviewed the plays that Mark Cuban forwarded to the League and determined that nine of the twenty-nine challenged screens were in fact illegal. In response, Nunn sent an email to the Dallas Mavericks with the League's response, explaining which calls were correctly called and which ones were incorrectly called.

The general issue raised by Cuban's complaint ― moving screens ― was
included in an April 29, 2005 email that Nunn sent to all playoff referees. Nunn's email did not mention Yao Ming, the Houston Rockets or any other player or team. Indeed, the email noted several points of emphasis. (As noted above, POEs are learning tools sent to the referees. They are not player- or team-specific; rather they are call- or movement-specific.) Among a number of other POEs discussed in Nunn's email were illegal screens ― the issue that Cuban had flagged. Of note, Nunn sent a similar email on April 25, 2005 ― before Game 2 ― to all playoff referees in which he also emphasized a number of POEs, including illegal picks. That email also did not mention any team or player. Nunn also spoke with Donnie Vaden, the series supervisor ("Referee Supervisor Z"), about various issues that arose during the first two games.

They discussed, among other things, the missed calls against Yao and the need to avoid similar mistakes in the upcoming games. Before each game of the series, Vaden, as series supervisor, met with the referee crew. We spoke with Vaden and each of the referees for the remaining games of the series. While none recalled any specific discussion or review of clips of Yao Ming, they said they almost certainly discussed Yao and other players and reviewed video clips that involved him as well as other players. Moreover, given Nunn's conversation with Vaden, it is likely that Vaden mentioned the errors in the prior games regarding Yao's screens because one of Vaden's goals was to prevent similar errors from occurring in the upcoming games. In addition, referees normally discuss the tendencies of key players when preparing for a game ― and it was well known among referees at the time that Yao had a tendency to set illegal screens.

While it is thus clear to us that Yao's tendency to set illegal screens and the
missed calls in prior games were discussed, none of the referees recalled receiving any special direction from Vaden or anyone else to enforce the screen rules in some special or "strict" or "preferential" way against Yao. The referees explained that had such a specific direction about Yao been given, it would have been unlike any instruction they could ever recall receiving or hearing from any supervisor or member of NBA management. None of them believed he was being asked to "target" Yao. And more fundamentally, none of the referees believed that the League issued any instruction to favor Dallas or otherwise make calls that would help extend the playoff series. As the referees described to us, they believed that the League and Vaden were simply trying to improve the quality of the refereeing in the upcoming games. They did not see it as an effort to skew calls or "target" Yao and had no intent to give "preferential treatment" to any team or player...

Interestingly, although Dallas won four of the five games after Game 2, it was whistled for more fouls than Houston in three of those games. More fouls had been called against Houston than Dallas in Games 1 and 2, which Houston won.
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I'm convinced that he did it on purpose. You can see how he stuck his leg out there.
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Haven't read anything, but I don't think it was an intentional trip.

however, i think it should be looked into, "investigated" by league higher-ups.

i just think it's funny that we have artest and dorsey now.

#131 Man, Oct 31, 2008
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F'n douche...You can tell it was intentional...

Mavs suck...

#132 rrj_gamz, Oct 31, 2008
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Notice how Howard is always kicking at Yao's feet. Watch the first video. At the 4 second mark and 6 second mark Howard tries to injure Yao.

In the second video, at the 5 second mark he steps on Yao's foot and gives him a little nudge that wasn't enough to cause Yao to lose his balance. Then there's the obvious trip at the 9 second mark.

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So Cuban's your role model now? What has he ever done that swayed any official decisions by the NBA? You ever watched any interviews to some of those toughest players in the league, i.e. Karl Malone, Bill Laimbeer, John Stockton, etc... These guys were grabbing and squeezing people's nuts during games. What's a tripping? That's like child's play for them. These are all humongous professional basketball players. It's not your high school girls basketball tournament.
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The difference is back then, they retaliated by beating each other both physically and in the game. No one would try to purposely injure MJ just so they wouldn't have to worry about losing to him in the playoffs. The NBA should not condone dirty play, but I doubt they are going to do anything about this.

Nowitzki is a punk for purposely bumping his shoulder into Yao.

#133 LoveRoxHateJazz, Oct 31, 2008

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Man said:

Haven't read anything, but I don't think it was an intentional trip.

however, i think it should be looked into, "investigated" by league higher-ups.

i just think it's funny that we have artest and dorsey now.
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Look at the gif by Rocket1983, I think that it was definitely intentional!

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pls attention

The ****ing Josh Howard's feet
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#134 Winrockets, Oct 31, 2008
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America hating. Is that a new word in the republican dictionary? So does Yao hate America since he's Chinese?

#135 macfan, Oct 31, 2008
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I blame Jerry Stackhouse. His punk ass always pulls this kind of ****. Glad to see him passing it along to his stoner buddy.

#136 LoveRoxHateJazz, Oct 31, 2008
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GMAC said:

Josh tries to draw a foul on Yao with a flop. He fails. Then he grabs Yao Ming's jersey as they run back down court. Yao Ming raises his arms and his elbow hits Howard in the face. Then Howard kicks Yao's legs out from underneath him while he's running at full speed.

Seriously, 7'6 coming down like that. I'm so pissed.
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Yeah! I've been not noticed Josh's dirty action before watch your second clip.
According to this video,JOSH 100% is a real Son oF BXXXX.

#137 pipesir, Oct 31, 2008
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I say we get Morey to pull some sort of mid-season trade for Howard... I hear that Houston is having a weed shortage. Anything to help the economy.

#138 mayurpatel, Oct 31, 2008

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Josh?

I think you have "toughness" confused with "b**** move"

Malone and Stockton should have played in a girls high school basketball tournament, they would have fit right in gender wise and maybe they could have won a title there.

someone get this blasphemous n00b away from his keyboard.
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owned. especially the bold part.

What's funny is Yao tries to trip Howard back with a little kick at the legs hahahaha. Yao's a funny guy.

Oh and whatever "balls" Josh Howard has would have frozen and dropped off if the Rockets put Dorsey in the game. hehe.

"Punk Basketball Player 'Accidently' Smashed Into Goalpoast By Monst- Dorsey"

#139 ShadyMcGrady, Oct 31, 2008
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After Yao tripped, Howard took another stride that looked like the previous stride where he allegedly intentionally tripped Yao. Maybe he intentionally did that to make it seem like that is his natural striding motion? I don't know.

Inconclusive evidence. The call on the field stands. Clutchfans wil be charged one timeout.

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