CD and JVG should be laying down the foundation for this senario with the Hawks, by establishing a regular raport, so that with a favourable & amicable chat realtionship this trade might br facilitated quickly at the pecise time of it's proposal. It sounds like a good move for the Rox!!!!! [ see below ]
I doubt the Hawks would do this. I have Childress in a fantasy league so I've watched him pretty closely. I think he is far from a 'career backup' as someone else said earlier in the thread. He's good across the board in pts, boards, threes, percentages (FG and FT), steals, with some assists and blks thrown in.
I would definetly make this trade. Josh Childress would be perfect and would be a top 3 pick if he came out this year.
Or his teammate, Rip Hamilton. Also, if I recall correctly, Tayshaun Prince came out of college after his senior year. Childress should be about the same age Prince was when he came into the league, and Prince was WAY skinnier then.
Dude, if we're willing to spend the kind of money we've spent on some of the garbage players on our team, why the hell would anybody object to paying for an extra first round draft pick? We have far too many holes to be that stingy when it comes to adding talent. Here's some salary figures of current/ex-players who have little to no future with this team yet have salaries that count against the books (not even including Sura's contract): Clarence Weatherspoon - $6,353,200 Vin Baker - $3,850,000 Charlie Ward - $1,870,000 Jon Barry - $1,800,000 Rick Brunson - $366,178 Richie Frahm - $191,832 Dion Glover - $146,810 John Lucas - $57,598 Stephen Graham - $39,876 Josh Davis - $15,986 That adds up to pretty hefty sum of money we're apparently willing to bite the bullet on and/or dish out for crap. Now here's some ballpark figures of what we would be paying those two players to come in: Last Year's 15 pick: Antoine Wright $1,461,360 $1,570,920 $1,680,600 $2,576,359 $3,601,751 Last Year's 17 pick: Danny Granger $1,318,920 $1,417,800 $1,516,800 $2,329,804 $3,289,684 Point being, it's definitely worth it.
That's all that counts! If it goes in with regularity then he is a viable option. I have become obsessed with shooting. I can't watch the brickfests anymore. If the Rockets don't improve this area by next season, I may have to go into early retirement as a Rocket's fan.
Isn't Josh Smith also avaliable? I rather have Josh Childress over Josh Smith - but maybe Smith is someone to consider.
Aside from Childress, I want the Rox to also try to acquire anyone of these guys: MoPete,Caron Butler,JRSmith....anyone of them can play SG with Tmac but I'm not sure who's the best fit
Childress is not an impressive player. Don't get me wrong, he's fine. He runs (and looks) like Shaun Livingston but plays like a less crafty Shane Battier. That means he's VERY quiet. He's like a ninja out there in that you barely notice him. He's on the floor, doens't make any mistakes, and when the game ends you're thinking he gave a solid fifteen minutes when he was really in for thirty. It's like, "Wow! Where was he the whole game?" I like to label a player by his strongest trait. Describe Childress in one word? Unspectacular. He'd be nice to have, but I'd rather see what our top ten pick could do for us first. Brandon Roy plays like Childress but has a much more potential. If we drop down to the 7th pick we might be able to get him. On a side note, I've only seen Childress play a total of eight games in his whole career, so I really don't have a comprehensive understanding of his game. Deuce, you seem to be a big advocate of him. How much have you seen of Childress' play? What role do you think he'd play on the rockets? EDIT: On another side note, there's one great reason to get him on the rockets: his fro is just amazing. Legendary. Makes Afro Thunder look like Mr. Clean. I feel the fro.
This trade makes a lot of sense and I would do this trade trade. Josh Childress would be good at the SG. The only way I wouldn't trade our pick for him is if its a top 5 pick in which case I would use it to draft a PF like Noah if he's available.
hawks have been grooming both joshes for the past couple of seasons. no way would they trade those guys especially for a high draft pick it would mean two seasons completely down the drain for them. even though jj has the max contract it's childress who they've been building their franchise around.
Josh is nice, but who's to say he'd get time. I personally like Mikael Pietrus from GS he plays the D Gundy requires and has lit us up a few times from downtown. I cant imagine what GS would want tho (Stro?). Is he available?
I am really feeling Deuce's idea and will save a comment on that for another day because I strongly doubt if the Hawks would want to deal him "lightly". But this talk of Joakim Noah really worries me. He is not that special imho because of his size. He is at best a Hakim Warrick imho. Someone please tell me I am wrong. Hakim even had a better track record - Noah could be a one trick pony. He will not be able to play the 3-position in the NBA and he will be too frail to play the 4-position as well. He has not reliable go to move and he is not even a freakish athlete like Hakim Warrick. He would struggle in the NBA just like Hakim is finding out now - I do not see the need for his clamour and praise. He does not even have game like a similarly built Shawn Marion. Someone please help me see the light on this kid.
I'm not as big a fan as most on Noah b/c he was inconsistent until the tourney, so it's a little questionable to me. But what is his "one trick" ? If he's "at best Hakim Warrick" but lacks the freak athleticism..what does that even mean? He's 6-11 or 7 foot. He's built well-enough for a young guy to eventually fill into a the 4 spot. He would never be asked to play the 3 (a 7 foot banger/rebounder asked to play the 3? Why?) I think he's already a little wider than Warrick, if I remember right. I'm not sure if you're looking at the right guy..?
1 - The Hawks arent going to move Childress+Harrington for Sto and our 2nd round pick. They dont need a Trade Exception, they are under the cap! Guys, I know it is TOUGH to part with a 1st round pick in the lottery, but you have to give to get. 2- Draft Shelden but if Noah or Thomas are available give them "consideration"? Consideration? How about this, if Noah or Thomas are available you do a dance, shoot off a rocket and jump all over them. Noah and Thomas are WAY better prospects than Shelden. I like Shelden, but he has a ceiling pretty close to where he is now. Noah looks like the second coming of AK-47, but in a PF's body. You take him in a nano-second!
Funny that you bring up Tayshaun Prince. Because in my mind, best case scenaio for Childress is a poor-man's Prince. I would think with Childress' 6'8" length, he would be damn good in JVG's defensive scheme. 6'8" Childress and 6'8" Tmac roaming the perimeter defensively? I like the looks of that.
I wont argue with you when you say Childress' play is kind of "unspectacular." He is someone that kind of does a lot of little things but nothing that is just WOW. But at the end of the game, he has a nice line. I think on this team, that's really something that we need. I think Childress could be a 3rd scorer on this team, maybe not as dynamic as a Ricky Davis, but he can get his points. And I like the idea of him cutting to the lane when Yao is double teamed. I like the idea of his length on the perimeter defensively. Plus he is versitile. He can handle the ball. He can play 3 positions. You mention Shane Battier in your comparison to Childress. Raise you hands if you feel we could use a Battier type player on this team. Those types of players are important. Especially as "complementary" players to your stars, Yao and Tmac. I agree with you on Brandon Roy. He is probably a more dynamic scorer, AND if he were on the BOARD when the Rockets pick comes up, that's when perhaps you use the pick on Roy. I would be for that. HOWEVER, what if Roy is gone? What if Ronnie Brewer was on the board. Would you select him? Or make the trade? Brewer is more of a gamble, whereas Childress is more of a known commodity. That's all I am saying. Let's put it this way, the Rockets better him a home run with this pick! kaleidosky,.... Joakim Noah. What's special about him? What's special is he fills out the box score. He has a high BB IQ. He plays with a high motor. He has nice quickness and good shot blocking instincts. He had a growth spurt from 6-2 to 6-11 and used to be a PG so he knows how to pass the basketball. Basically he is a really smart player, with a high motor and has a wide array of skills. Think AK-47. Passion+Skills=greatness. P.S., Hakim Warrick is a nice athlete, but nowhere has the skills that Noah has. hooroo, Would the Hawks deal Childress? They might think about it if they really are jonesing to get a PG in the draft. If they grab Thomas/Noah with their first pick and want Marcus Williams they will have to trade back into the lottery to get him. Childress might be expendible as he is coming off the bench and they would be adding a starter with Marcus Williams.
