He may be exaggerating, but I tend to agree with (a more rational version of) his point. Jordan makes too many mental mistakes, most notably on defense, to be a starting NBA player. If they can get "fair value" for Hill, I think the Rockets trade him. He's definitely not viewed as a major building block for this team, in my opinion. If the Rockets can get SOMEONE to play center for this team besides Hill, they'd love to have Patrick Patterson be Scola's primary backup long-term.
How is that a more rational version? That's exactly what I said! I was just using a specific example that happened last night.
Does this mean that Jordan will eventually b**** about not getting any playing time, want to go back to [his place of origin] and agree to void his contract, and that the Rockets will somehow work a trade of Jordan's (voidable) contract and a future second round pick to Minnesota for the draft rights to Ricky Rubio and Anthony Tolliver? :grin:
I think it is unwise to trade him now. He is the only Rocket who has the potential to become an elite front court player. I wouldn't trade a young player who has such amazing upside, especially when he is a center.
Your eye for talent and upside might be faulty. "Elite front court player"? Okay, Mr. Master of Exaggeration.
It would be an exaggeration if I have said "Jordan Hill is an elite front court player now". I am talking about potential and upside only. Learn to read.
Saying his "potential and upside" is an elite front court player IS the exaggeration. Well, maybe not for the homer and the blind.
We all see guys differently. I think he has the potential to be a big time player, but not the mental makeup to ever be consistent with it -- therefore, I'd side with you that no, he won't ever be an all-star. Probably looking at a role player that starts at his ceiling IMO. I wish he showed more enthusiasm on the court.. whether things are going good or bad. He gets a monster dunk and looks the same way he would if he had just fouled out.
Hill provided zero deterrent to Miami's layup drill. He's just not a presence in the paint at all defensively right now. I don't really care about his dunks or jumpers so much as I care about that.
Exactly, and he never will be a defensive presence in the paint. Its just not his game or in him. He wil be a reliable amn to man defender but never a Chuck Hayes or NeNe type game. I see him as a slightly better version of Chris Wilcox. Mental awareness and IQ is something that takes too long to build and we cant afford to go through it. As someone mentioned before, his tyrade value is good now because he is no longer deemd as a bust. We have to sell high beofre that value goes over the 'Hill".
iigh...just call someone a homer or blind if he thinks higher of a player on the team than you do. You are really cute.
jordan hill is not ready to be our starting center in his second year (though you could almost count this as his rookie year) so let's trade him ? Big men generally take longer to adjust to the nba game and i think Hill will be a serviceable starting big for some team in the next few years. if we can flip him for a guy who's ready now - great, but he's doing fine for a "draft bust" that we picked up for very little. this is the second defensive scheme he's learned in as many years. personally, i'm thinking an al horford type and if you compare his numbers this year to Horford's second year and adjust for minutes played, they're in the ballpark. Of course it says something that he can't get more minutes with a team desperate for a center - i understand that. but then again rick is also stubborn with his rotations...
Telling me he has the potential of an "elite" front court player is a bit more... exaggerated... than just simply "thinking higher of a player". Maybe you need a refresher on what exactly is an "elite" front court player looks like. Tim Duncan. Dirk nowitzki. Kevin Garnett. Dwight Howard. Pau Gasol. Chris Bosh. I'm probably missing somebody. You know who I'm NOT missing? Anybody who was traded away as a tag along filler for cap space. You'd think that someone with that kind of "potential" would have garnered a little more interest. Anyways, does Jordan Hill's potential look like any of those guys? Yea? If so, you are the definition of a homer. Sorry.
Sometimes players come into the league and you can see they are going to be elite pretty quickly, others develop over time. Jordan Hill has elite athleticism, whether or not he develops into a star player like Jermaine O'neal did is up in the air. He has shown marked improvement from last year, and while the odds are against him ever being a Superstar, he could become an all star..... And that would be pretty danged good... DD
He certainly has a chance to be an All-star reserve, like Jermaine O'Neal or David West, if he keeps learning and getting better. David West didn't get in the All-star game until his 5th season. Improvement each year is the most important thing. Eventually, it all adds up. The athletic raw players that never improve end up as the Eddie Griffins, Stromile Swifts, or Gerald Greens of the league.
It is amusing to me to read stupid comments from people that think a player in their first or 2nd year is all they will ever be. I mean Yao Ming was a 13 and 7 guy his rookie year and he got better.... Not saying Jordan Hill is going to be great, but he could be...to dismiss the idea that someone could develop is just flat out ignorantly stupid. DD
