bench journeyman: he's already that good, and I don't think he's anywhere near peaking. As for trading him, the only players you don't trade are your superstars. The closest we have to that are Scola and Martin, and if we can talk about trading them, we can talk about trading Hill. We just need to make sure we get value. For instance, in the next draft, if we could get Cousins' ability and Hill's dedication (pot-smoker appearance aside) combined in one player, we should gladly fork Jordan over for him.
Let me clarify my previous post. I would trade Hill for a star, but what I didn't understand was trading him for a middle tier center, because I think he could develop into a solid one. Yes, if we could get a proven superstar, or a top 3 draft pick talent, no one is untouchable. But besides that, I'm fine with continuing to have Hill here developing and wearing a Rockets jersey.
I can think of alot more players to trade before Hill. I would like to see what he really would look like with a consistent 27 mins a night hell or high water.
Well he sucks at adjusted +/- as well which is supposed to adjust for teammates and opponents. The team performs much better without him in the game. I like Jordan Hill, but he still is fouling too much. The Rockets are 40% more likely to foul when he is on the court. His man to man defense could use some improvement especially away from the basket.
Agree with this. In fact I hink Hakeem could be more confortable helping Hill instead of Yao/Howard. Hakeem had a similar body to Hill when he came to the league. Could help his game a lot.
For every nifty turnaround jumper he makes, which counts as the same 2 point no matter how nifty, and every thunderous dunk he gets, which counts as the same 2 points no matter how thunderous, he gives up a crucial 3 point play with the Rockets down 7 with 3 minutes to go, effectively sealing the game. Consistent poor rotations, consistent dumb mental mistakes is EXACTLY the reason why he does not get consistent minutes. It is also the reason why he will be the most likely Rocket gone on the trade deadline, because those nifty turnarounds and thunderous dunks sure look nice on a highlight reel for prospective suitors, and the OP apparently.
I was wondering why Chuck didn't come back in. I thought he played phenomenally. Hill is way too inconsistent on rotations to be of any use down the stretch.
He played OK, but Bosh got the better of him on 3 or 4 possessions in the 3rd quarter. Its not like Hill was doing a great defensive job, though. Where Chuck really helps you compared to Scola or Hill or Miller is he can defend 20 feet from the basket, and he knows how to move his feet and cut off angles. He's great working with Battier on the pick and rolls too. The other three front court players are pretty bad at that stuff in comparison.
He also helps off rotations whenever wade blows by martin. I remember one play where Hill pretty much just kind of watched the whole thing transpire where he could have easily just slid in the lane.
2nd year big man making mental mistakes on the court is normal, no? Its not like he was the 2nd coming of slowmile swift on the court.
Normal? Yes. But to do it consistently? Worrisome. I am not at all saying get rid of him like I think they should with Chase. I am just saying a lot of what he brings is fools gold. And that he is the most likely to be traded since some fans/teams cannot see past the fools gold.
hmm.... Hill's size and athleticism are certainly not fools gold. The kid has a solid jump shot that is getting more and more consistent along with his post-game and shot blocking. Also his rebounding ability is the real deal. He still makes careless mistakes.....so what, he's cut down on the fouling alot and has improved immensely from last year in EVERY aspect of his game and i expect him to be all around improved even more by next year.. The upside of this kid is becoming more evident each game..hence the name Hill..
Let me add that i do love watching this kid play, BUT i would let him(or any player) go to see us get back an all-star talent. I'm simply defending hiim against the "fool's gold" statement..
What do you mean consistently? He's consistently produced, and already won us a couple of games down the stretch. I think its obvious he's still lost when it comes to defensive rotations, but his man-to-man post defense is already pretty good. Another year or two of and he'll get it eventually. Its actually quite common for big men to have a ton of mental farts during their first years in the league, which is why everyone says it takes a while for big men to develop. He's only been an NBA player for 1 and half seasons and not even 25 years old. Scola's already 29 he's just as bad.
Scola's defensive rotation isn't bad, it's OK. His man-to-man is horrible, though. Last season, maybe. He used to box out so well. This season, not so much. The number of double digit rebounding games for him hasn't even reached 5.
His role on offense has changed.. he is a big part of the system and has the ball in the high or low post and sits more perimeter now so hes out of position a little more as opposed to just waiting for someone else to shoot. He is still a very capable rebounder.... no doubt
Do you wear a robe and wizard hat when you post? If so, I would like to know where to get my own set and if any discounts are available to me. I haven't seen much NBA this season, but even Chris Wilcox had a run of games where he convinced people he could be something he ... couldn't. And with Jordan Hill I don't see any sure fire signs of dominance that elevate him over a Varejao type player. Signs I saw in Amare, Bosh, Boozer, etc. There's no real bread and butter to his game, he's a jack of all trades and master of none. Of course it's too early to form any real conclusions, but I wouldn't hesitate to throw him in a package deal for a young player with top 25 upside (Cousins).
