Jordan Hill was 0-4 tonight. Is this guy really worth it?

There are only 6 players that score 25 pts. Rockets weren't going to get LeBron, Kobe, Wade, Monta Ellis, Durant, or Carmelo.

If you can't get those guys in trade, then the Rockets only chance of getting a 25+ pt game player is through the draft. With the exception of Ellis, all of those players were lottery picks.

Rockets have a 0% chance of not getting one of the 25+ pt scorer(Wade/LeBron/Kobe/Ellis/Durant/Carmelo) in a trade, but get 2 cracks at drafting them in the next 2 seasons. Going for the 0% chance won't land the Rockets a 25+ pt scorer.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/playe...itScope=GAME&qualified=Y&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=

 

Remember last year when we got a 3rd string PG from Memphis named Kyle Lowry for Rafer and everyone was like WHO?

Morey knows what he's doing....

 

this thread should have been locked just from the horrible title. Whether the OP actually has legit reasoning or not doesnt even matter after that, why mention ONE game of 0 for 4 if you want to be taken seriously?

 

Aaron Brooks didn't play much as a Rookie.

 

If you spend money freely just because you have it, you end up looking like this year's Knicks team.

 

I remember many people said that Magic is stupid why not get Lowry directly but get a old skip.

 

Go read Bima. We won't have money to get anything but a minor role player after signing Scola/Lowry anyways.

Well, given that Morey drafted Brooks and Landry with late first round picks (and Dawson drafted Head), I don't see a problem. And that's the worst case scenario.

First, uh, no. We will be better than New York, particularly when I am convinced they will not get Lebron. or Wade. or anyone except second-tier stars like Gay or Boozer.
Second, we have the OPTION of swapping picks. Morey's not stupid. They way it's probably going to work is that we have the option to swap ours with New Yorks so if they have a better pick, we trade. If not, we don't. Simple.

If you are going to make the "McGrady's contract will give us 23 million in free agency", I will join Bima in gouging my eyes out.

Your entire argument is that McGrady's contract is covered by insurance, so we save money.

Well, it isn't. We would get insurance if McGrady is out due to injury, and he's not. He's out because we don't want him here anymore, and that's not covered by insurance.
Given these facts, when one considers that trading McGrady would allow us to fall under luxury tax, it is possible to argue that we save money( Bima has the details, not me). And Jeffries is not a bad player and can serve as an expiring.


So uh, no. This is a good deal, and probably as good as we will get at this point.

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From the very little that I've seen of Jordan Hill... it's kind of hard not to get excited about this guy. He's got everything you want in a big man. Good size, great length, good athleticism, pretty good shotblocking ability, and a reliable mid-range jumper. He also goes 100 mph all the time, from what I hear about him, so effort certainly won't be a problem.

His rebounding is questionable, though, and he's still a major deer in the headlights kind of guy. If the Rockets do accept the Knicks trade, they need to give him the Trevor Ariza treatment the rest of the season. In other words, they need to just set him loose on the court and see what he can do. None of this 10 minutes per game crap that the Knicks are trying to pull with him. They need to get a good look at him to truly see what he is really capable of.

 

I'm struggling to see exactly what it is that you're advocating. If we make the trade, we come out probably come out ahead financially, even paying Jeffries' contract next year, depending on what T-Mac is bought out for. In addition, we get a buttload of picks, as opposed to nothing if T-Mac just expires.

I agree with you that top teams have superstars on their rosters, and that we won't be true contenders till we acquire that caliber of player, but they're very hard to get. The best way is to accumulate valuable assets, like the kind this trade gets us, and be in a position to make a deal when circumstances make one of those players available. I'm all for this deal.

 

Signing a free agent is not the only option in the offseason. Sign/Trade, straight up trade, etc. With today's economy, more and more teams are literally giving away talent to save a buck.

Jeffries is nothing more than a coupon that Morey can redeem to get a discount on talent

All of the Rockets big men are productive on nice contracts. These are the sweetners of potential deals.

Anything can happen with NY's future picks. You're assuming that their offseason will go according to plan. What if the big names in free agency decide to stay with their respective teams (since their respective teams will be able to offer them more money)? Then NY is in deep doo doo. Those picks start to look a lot better. This is assuming Morey keeps the picks. Remember, picks are deal sweetners, too.

 

Not to pick on you, but if you really lurk as much as you say you do, you'd understand the proposed trade has minimal, if any, impact on the team's ability to do anything in the offseason. Either way they'd just be able to re-sign their own FA's, because of the bird rights.

With Jeffries, they can still do that, and sign an MLE player....AND have Jeffries contract, which itself could have some trade value next year.

If Hill sucks, he sucks. Might as well take a gamble. At a minimum, he too will have some contract trade value at some point in the future.

The pick could be a lotto pick or a early 20's pick - which could be Luther Head, or Aaron Brooks...you never know. Whatever the case, it's a pick, which is an asset that has value.

Then you don't swap picks. I find this scenario unlikely, though.

Not really. Doing nothing puts you in the exact same position, except without an extra expiring contract, without a ex-lotto pick young big, who may have some upside, without an extra first round pick, an extra second round pick, and the potential to move up more in the first round. Why do nothing, when you can do something, and still execute your offseason plans the exact same way.

If the Rockets do nothing, which I don't believe will be the case, they likely will work on a buyout arrangement. Trading him to NYC, Chicago or a buyout - in any case, they are not screwing Mac.

Now I know you can't have been lurking as much as you say. Search for posts by BimaThug. He has repeatedly, and effectively explained salary cap 101, how it relates to the Rockets, what position they are in, and what the proposed trade means - which is basically having zero effect on their ability to have salary cap flexibility in the offseason, which they weren't going to have anyway.

I'm not sure your math is correct, but don't care to really check. The ultimate point is that what Les does and doesn't save this year is a different point and has nothing to do with insurance collected on T-Mac or their inability to make a better deal. Morey has looked for better deals, and been outbid. He will not mortgage the team's current sound squad (lacking a great 1,2 punch, albeit) and more importantly, future cap flexibility, to outbid on packages that also had some question marks.

Broken record. Find BimaThug's posts. Also, aside from Jordan Hill and a rookie or two, you'd still have the same cap space the next year, as that's when Jeffries contract expires, so that's more or less a non-starter of an argument.

Because, questionable as they may be, they are all definitely assets, with value in a bunch of ways (attractive to other teams in potential future trades, might pan out to be a player, etc.). Why wouldn't you acquire them if given the opportunity, considering the salary cap implications are negligible (for salary cap implications, find BimaThug posts!!!).

Your frustration is that the Rockets didn't turn McGrady into Butler, or Iguodala...or Bosh...when they were simply outbid for Butler, have made a strategic decision to not take on Iguodala if it means taking on Dalembert (and then really impacting the offseason moves in that case), and trading for Bosh was never going to happen.

Now there's never, and there's maybe. Maybe Bosh could have happened, if the Raptors really sucked, Bosh wasn't having as stellar a year, etc....so Morey has taken his time to see if someone "panics" at the last minute.

But it is isn't happening, so Morey is finding other unique ways to get assets, some of which, mind you, could turn out to be great - the Knicks still could strike out in FA, be a lotto team, and have a top 3 pick next year, and the following year - best case scenario, sure, but you never know.

 

Going from butler + haywood to a scrub and late 1st rounder. Morey screwed up.

 

How well has Landry played lately?

He must suck.

Look, if you knew you were about to get traded anyway, would you bust your a$$ for the team that didn't want you? Or maybe you'd be a little distracted?

 

Agreed. Give him 15-20 min. a game and he could just learn on the fly. Let's see what he's got given good minutes. He might be able to produce for us.

 

We have all questioned Morey in the past only to eat our words.. doesn't he deserve the benefit of the doubt?

Subscribe to this thread fellas.. I have a feeling we will be coming back to it in a couple months..

 

I don't see why so many people are excited to get this guy?? He can barely play with the Knicks...this is not exciting. We can get better.

 

Really? Because he shoots 47% from the field normally - if you watched him all the time you'd see him make a lot of shots and wouldn't overract to an 0-4 night...

 

I trust Morey more than you. I mean seriously...if he goes after a young guy I assume he sees something he likes. Respect his track record.

 

If we get Hill, he needs to completely replace Andersen in the rotation. I like Hill the player and I am excited about this deal, but I am not sure how he gets any playing time unless other roster moves happen.