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Jordan Hill Player Development.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Tom Bombadillo, Jan 21, 2011.

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Jordan Hill's progression so far...

  1. Unconscious Incompetence

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  2. Conscious Incompetence

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  3. Conscious Competence

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  4. Unconscious Competence (The GOAL!!!)

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  1. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    This is what I'm starting to think...even though some people thought he'd be better than Carl Landry.

    Hill looks so timid and awkward out there. He has some moments, but he's way too inconsistent. JH doesn't have the look of a starter in this league...ever. He needs to put in A LOT of effort and practice to ever have a chance of becoming a starter in the NBA...right now he doesn't look like he has that kind of drive. Total B.U.S.T. It's pretty obvious seeing how he hasn't improved since last year...hell, he's gotten worse in some areas of his game...pathetic for a second year player.
     
  2. RocketForever

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    What do you mean exactly? Would you mind explaining?
     
  3. Dreamin

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    He means other players who are more qualified to play can help the team more than Hill. Hill is taking up valuable minutes from PP and JJ. Those players can the team more that Hill. That translates to more wins and less losses.

    Last nights game was a perfect example. Hill had valuable minutes in the 4th quarter and the opposition took full advantage. Guards were rebounding over him, driving to the basket and scoring over Hill with no fear what so ever. Hill just cant make the right decisions, he catches the ball when its not meant for him, he is at the wrong place at the wrong time always, has no hustle. He is plain and simple unneccesary and doesnt belong.
     
  4. smuduffy

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    he may be more suited for PF, but he's got to be a C for this team or get traded. PP > Hill as PF, so unless Scola gets traded (which is possible), Hill needs to really bulk up and play as a C.

    I disagree with those that say he hasn't improved since last year. I don't care what the stats are, I've seen improvement watching the games. But, thats mainly on the offensive side. He's been developing the hooks and moves pretty well and I figure with another offseason he can develop even more (just needs time and experience). Defensively, he still needs alot of work. He occasionally looks good there and does seem to be good at offensive boards, but you see his block attempts and realize he's a step too slow. But, again, I think this just gets better with playing time and offseason.

    Overall, if you give me a choice between PP or Hill, I take PP all day. But, if no trade comes along where we get a center back in return, then I don't mind developing him as a Center and putting some more weight on. He'd be great as a backup C, but with so little options in terms of available centers, he seems to be the best option to develop for now. And, I wouldn't mind a PP/Hill PF duo either, if Scola landed us a SF or Center.
     
  5. pbthunder

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    You bring up a very important point: there aren't many good centers out there, and developing Hill might be a very attractive option for that reason. Many posters rail against the idea, but can we be sure it's a worse idea than the alternatives?
     
  6. T-Slack

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    Its a official. He's a scrub.
     
  7. RocketForever

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    It's idiotic to say Jordan Hill lost the game for us last night.
     
  8. Tom Bombadillo

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    Jordan Hill doesn't get in the action.

    If he doesn't start getting involved soon, he won't be playing anywhere.
     
  9. Dreamin

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    Yes it is. What I meant is having JJ in there would have helped our defense that much more. It would have made it that much harder for the opposition to score.

    It helps our team when someone can block the driving lanes. It helps the team when someone boxes out for rebounds, it helps the team when a guy switches and rotates correctly on defense. These things normally help us towards winning.

    It hurts the team when a 6-10 guy gets score on consistantly by gurds and fellow bigs, it hurts the team everytime he doesnt box out under the rim, it hurts the team when he doesnt switch or rotate in defense properly and screws it for others as welll. These things normally help the other team win.

    Thats why its important to only have guys on the floor who help a team towards winning like JJ+PP. That why it makes sense to not play guys who hurts our chances of winnign like J.Hill.

    I dont argue or doubt that he started ball too late and hasnt still developed like most guys his age. I will admit he is more suited at PF then C. Then my question is why play him if he is still under-developed and out of position? We have a better PF in PPat and a better C in JJ.

    So why Aldeman, why???
     
  10. dobro1229

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    I think it's unfair to blame Jordan for any of the shortcomings the Rockets have had on defense as of late because.....

    -coaching. I have seen virtually no defensive schemes played out on the floor the past couple games which shows that they have not practiced possibly in weeks other than some tape watching and walk throughs. Not necessarily the coaches fault exactly but how in the world do you let Jordan go one on one in the post with Dwight Howard? The rotations the Rockets run on defense is pathetic compared to most NBA teams which leads to my next point.

    -The Vets. Shane, Scola, etc have shown that they cannot be effective without a true center anchoring the defense this year and nobody else seems to notice. Because of their reputations as hard workers and great locker room leaders yada yada.

    Chuck has been great this season and is the one vet that should be given a contract next year. The guy has shown he can play some offense now too so at some point hopefully they will move him back to forward so he can be much more affective shutting down elite Pf's.

    -regardless I think it's bad that Jordan Hill gets a lot of the blame because the guy is just not ready yet to produce big and just needs practice time and another offseason to really understand the NBA game better.

    I hope he is still with the team after the trade deadline but just with a reduced role until the offseason when he can work some more and improve. He's not going to be a Dwight Howard and he's not going to be Kwame Brown.... He's will be somewhere in between that and thats ok.
     
  11. pbthunder

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    I am a Hill fan. Mostly meaning, I think he will be good.

    It is hard to be a Hill fan on this forum, these days. Hard, because it is easy to lay serious, not ridiculous, criticism on him.

    You fail. I don't even need to ask why you call yourself 'Dreamin.'
     
  12. ktbballplaya

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    Hill is going to be good one day. You have to understand he started playing organized bball in high shcool. He doesnt have a natural feel for the game he looks awkward out there but he has shown his skills. I say in about 2 years he will be a solid 14/8
     
  13. YaoMac09

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    Never been the same since DD made a thread about him ;)
     
  14. Liberon

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    Hill is what he is. Funny thing is the dude got a "Samoan" mug but the body of a lady. :eek: Trade him for whatever please.
     
  15. pbthunder

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    Most of you guys are just plain ridiculous.

    I'll even give you that over the last 2-3 months, he has sucked 60% of the time, played passingly well 15% of the time, and played well 25% of the time (rough estimates).

    But my gosh, what's with the histrionics? I know, it was the same with Luther Head, the same with Kelvin Cato, and the same with Kenny Smith and Allan Leavell before that.

    Hill isn't as good as he could be. But, Martin isn't as good as Kobe, AB isn't as good as Chris Paul, and Scola isn't as good as Tim Duncan. Big deal. He isn't sinking the team.

    He might be sent to the D-League in another week. Think about this, though: why hasn't he been sent down there before? The Rockets brass seems to think he's worth having around.

    He ain't Typhoid Mary. Grow up.
     

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