remember he's only like 27...dream won early because he had sampson, then i dont think he won til 93, but it was the clippers they beat..in 5 games too.
i agree with you. but your perception is based on the general fan who does not know who tmac played with. but sadly that's all that matters. so yes, tmac has to win. but if u follow him and knew how his team was constructed, u understand why that's the case. but the general public doesn't care. ultimately, tmac has to win yes to cement his place as one of the greats.
We went to the NBA finals against Boston in '86 with Dream and Ralph.... Dream made the playoffs most years no matter who was on the team.... Even in '86-87 where the team lost Lewis Lloyd, Mitch Wiggins and the year before Lucas Sr, and with a declining Ralph they won the first round playoff series. DD
Ok, we are still waiting on that one year from Tmac. And he has help....a 7'6" beast in the middle. DD
TMac has never been surrounded with the talent that some of the other superstars had. MJ, Kobe during the championship years, I.Thomas, Magic, Bird, etc. Personally, I think Hakeem had a good deal more talent around him. They could at least make shots.
i guess you didnt quite understand my statement... mcgrady is only 27... Dream won early in his career because he had ralph, not just scrubs...after ralph left, we didnt win a playoff series til 92-93 when we beat the clippers (at of all teams). Dream constantly went to the playoffs but lost almost repeatedly in the 1st round to the lakers, seattle and dallas, then didnt make the playoffs in 91-92...so he went 5 straight seasons without winning a playoff series... my point is that dream had problems too like mcgrady in getting out of the 1st round....the only reason he won in 85 & 86 was because he had sampson it wasnt until 92-93, when he won, which he was alot older too.... mcgrady had a crap team in orlando, finally came to houston with yao and shouldve won the dallas series...**** happens, bad calls and cuban. im sure dream was criticized quite a bit when he lost 4 straight in the 1st round.
This is an obvious over-statement although I agree with you T-mac is very important to this team. When Yao is in the lineup, our team has two superstars, which most of teams in the league do not. Yao can create his own shots when necessary. Just go to watch the matches T-mac was injuried. However, Rox seems run more efficient when T-mac sets the play, Yao finishes the play, and T-mac steps up in crunch time. T-mac is NOT the player helpless and must take most responsibility in the league as a superstar. That is the fact, and that doesn't erase his credits. Both T-mac and Yao need win in playoff to prove something. Period.
Come on DD. This is the first year that Yao is able to stay on the floor an entire game without fouling out. Even this year it has been injury city with this team. Yao didn't start playing most effective until the 2nd half of last season post foot surgery. The playoff series against Dallas. That was one a coaching problem, and a personell(sp?) problem. You dont drop 3 straight after being up 2-0. Those are issues that weren't resolved. Shoot Tmac and Pat Garrity did better than that against the Pistons after losing in 7.
Are you sure this is the limb you wish to climb out on. Yao has always been a better passer that Shaq but if you just go by stats Shaq and Yao both average 2.1 assists per game. Where is the difference not to mention these stats are misleading. Yao would clearly be ahead if he had Shaq's supporting cast of players who could actually make a shot. Not to mention if Yao was not depended on so much to score he would have more assists on this team. Even then he is still the better passer and a better compliment to Tmac than Shaq is to wade. No debate needed.
If some of you think McGrady is "mentally weak," etc. well, fine. What about Yao? The guy is an established player and a bonafied superstar. What about his leadership? Where is it? Why isn't he being held accountable? He played like a rookie vs. the Suns. That's unacceptable just like it's unacceptable for T-Mac to jack up long range bombs when he should be going into the paint... Bottom line: We've got two superstars, neither of whom played well vs. the Suns. It's not about Mac. It's not about Ming. It's about the team. BOTH of our horses have to lead us.
thats why dont go by stats. if so, marbury >> nash in their career brother. shaq is EASILY a better passer than yao, easily. and i dont really like shaq. if u saw him during the lakers run, he was prollie the best big man passer after divac and webber. shaq threw some phenomenal lobs to kobe.
that blinebury guy gave a reason why and a good reason. yao's been a rocket for life. tmac hasn't. no pass for mac.
wait a sec, if im reading this correctly, you first were defending mac and now you are saying he gets no pass?
no, i understand why houston fans can act like this towards tmac. i dont agree w/ it, but i understand. i think if he was still orlando, he would be treated differently (if he didn't have that argument w/ that dumb GM in the first place)
So let's focus on Rafer and not Tracy. Rafer is to blame for Monday. We got ripped by Barbosa. Rafer failed miserably at this job.
