Jon Singleton up! Agrees to 8-year, $35 million deal.

He is black.

 

Oops, I meant Springer

 

Well damn

Nah, he just likes black girls



Seriously though, hopefully this duo is the next Biggio-Bagwell... with more playoff success.

Killer S's doesn't sound right, though.

 

Altuve, Springer, Singleton. Killer Ass?

 

If he's getting a $25MM/yr free agent deal, then he's not slightly above average. That's superstar money. Your claim was that the only way it's good for him is if he sucks and that he would lose a fortune if he was just above average. Who are these a little above average players that made a bunch more than $35MM in their first 8 years? If Prince Fielder is now your comparison point, he wasn't slightly above average. He is a 5 time all-star and finished in the top 5 of MVP voting 3 times.

Of course he *could*. There were 11 players in all of MLB with a 0.900 OPS last year. If he does that, he's not slightly above average. In that scenario, he certainly loses out.

Fair enough. Bryce Harper got $10MMish for 5 yrs. So Jon Singleton just got the same guarantees as the most hyped prospect recent memory, in exchange maxing out at $25MM for the next 3 years. Is that clearly a bad deal for him?

Salaries are skyrocketing because of this slew of insane media deals over the past few years. As we're learning from CSN-H and LASportsNet, those days may be over for the time being. There have been long periods where salaries didn't escalate all that much - we may well be heading towards one of those again.

 

Actually, MLB themselves cut new media deals with all the networks, along with their gigantic internet revenue, that is paying every team more than $25 million this year (and will continue to go up). This is separate from everybody's local media deals.

The shared media money is at an all-time high... which is what everybody is pointing to as the biggest reasons all teams can now afford big-money players (if they want to).

No team can really cry "poor" especially not the Astros who could practically have most of their payroll covered by shared revenue alone.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-new-national-tv-contracts-and-2014-payrolls/

 

Sure - but that's a one-time stairstep process. Each team gets $25MM more from that deal than they did before - but that's a flat rate locked in through 2021, so there's additional no escalation in that until 2022, and we have no idea where the market will be then or what the CBA will look like, etc.

So that deal is reflected in the current salary rates that people signed this year, for example. But it doesn't necessarily suggest more increases over the next 5 or 6 years.

 

Man that's funny. Would rep if I could.

 

Mike Napoli- $50 mil first 8 years
Joe Mauer- ~$55 million
Chris Davis- in 5th year is making $10 mil so will be at $45 mil minimum

All of these guys are below .900 ops.

 

Its the Kick Ss people.

 

And if the Astros aren't saving money, why the heck would they sign him to this deal before he's played a major league game?

 

The deal was signed in 2012... so spending conceivably had started ahead of this year with the anticipation of the extra cash.

Additionally, I don't see the national TV deals (which is what this money is based on) going down or away... ESPN/Fox/Fox1/Turner simply have too much summer programming devoted to baseball (and have historically done so). Lastly, we aren't even taking into account the internet/MLB TV revenue that continues to grow with widespread coverage/subscription.

The bottom line is that local deals aside, the finances of the game are at an all-time high (despite no "dominant" team, and declining overall ratings). I feel the local teams should capitalize on the streaming/internet/mobile services that few local channels currently provide, and use that to ensure there's still a "market" for local tv deals when their current overpaid contracts expire.

 

Astros most likely are saving some money over his expected value. I'm guessing Astros save 5-10 million over the expected value of his contract. For that savings, Singleton got $10 million guaranteed in case he sucks.

 

I am not sure why anyone is arguing against this deal from either side. Astros get control over Singleton for 8 years and can get out of the deal after 5, 6 or 7. Singleton gets 5+ years of security in case of injury or failure. At some point, if Singleton is exceeding expectations, the Astros can take the Rays/Longoria route and extend him for additional years to reward him.

Not only that, Singleton is extremely tradable if the need arises and he is playing well.

 

Mike Napoli made about $35M. I'm assuming you took your numbers from BR, which didn't show Napoli's rookie year. Replace $16M with a league minimum.

Chris Davis is in his 7th year, having made $15M across 7 years. He kept getting sent back to minors early in his career, which delayed his arbitration years.

Something you should also consider is that Singleton is also getting more money up front than any of these guys by never playing for the league minimum.

 

Killer Culos?

I would love to seem them try to promote that, lol

 

As noted, Napoli was around $35MM over 8 years. Chris Davis is in his 8th year now and will total below $20MM over that period, despite a monster year and finishing in the top-3 of the MVP voting last year. Mauer has made 6 all-star teams, won 4 Silver Sluggers, 4 Gold Gloves, finished in the top 10 of MVP voting 4 times, and won an MVP award. Not exactly a good example of slightly above average.

Each time you give examples, you seem to be working against your argument. Try again, perhaps?

 

Ryan Howard

2004- $300,000
2005- $316,000
2006- $355,000
2007- $900,000
2008- $10,000,000
2009- $15,000,000
2010- $19,000,000
2011- $20,000,000

First 8 years- $66m for a superstar MVP bashing 40 home runs a year

Paul Goldschmidt might be a better comp given he just signed his extension

2011- $414,000
2012- $482,000
2013- $500,000
2014- $1,100,000
2015- $3,100,000
2016- $5,875,000
2017- $8,875,000
2018- $11,100,000

First 8 years- $31,500,000

 

Ok, so to be straight, on this thread we have determined that

1) Singleton is way underpaid

2) The Astros screwed up by guaranteeing Singleton so much money without him playing a single game in MLB

3) Singleton is black

4) Springer is black

5) Springer is not black

Did I miss anything?

On another note, was great to see

 

You forgot we now hate Bud Norris.