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You know its kinda funny how everybody BUT the players complain about JVG calling them out in the press conferences. He doesn't single a guy out but says we made bad decisions, to many turnovers, etc. Yet there are posters on this board who couch potato quarterback and think they know all there is to know about the man and the team. Bottom line is players make plays not coachs. Coachs practice, game plan and prepare the players but the players have to execute at the end of the day. Making sure young guys develop is NOT the job of the coach but rather the player. The player must put the work in, watch film, practice, and learn from his mistakes. I think that Luther Head and Yao Ming are two good examples of that. Fast breaks are run by the outlet pass and an intelligent point guard (ala Steve Nash) who pushes the ball up the court. It also requires players to run the floor with good spacing to allow for passes and quick baskets. JVG wants his team to push the ball for fast break points whenever possible but if it is not there be smart and don't force it, if you can't get the easy bucket then go into your half court offense and get a good quality shot. If you notice he rarely says anything about the players taking open jump shots but ALWAYS has something to say about the poor shooting %. Some people can't see the forest for the trees...
I've had tickets on the hardwood right next to the Rocket's bench and also right behind them. And everytime I hear JVG yelling at them to run. I mentioned this before because it's funny how often people complain he wants to slow it down.
Yonkers, do you work for Toyota? I've sat next to the bench too. yeah, JVG is always screaming to run, or he's always telling Stro where to go and what to do.
how about you name the best coach for the Rockets. Almost everybody agrees that last season was some of the best basketball we've witnessed in years and last time I check, JVG was our coach last season. You're ready to write him off just because our stars (and most role players) were injured. How about YOU give us your analysis on why JVG is not the best coach for our team instead of just saying that cliché.
JVG = greatest coach in NBA history and greatest commentator in the history of communications. Forget COY, he's Emmy material.
Now your just sucking up... are you John Barry or are you just somebody trying to get hired by the rockets for that minum wage job cleaning toilets?
There was many people smarter than Jon Barry being fooled by Adolf Hitler. There was many people smarter and more knowledgable than Jon Barry being fooled by Aristotle. Smart people gets fooled by smarter people all the time. JVG is smarter than Jon Barry, that's why he's the coach of the Rockets and Barry is not. The point is, not to say Barry is fooled by JVG, but his oppinion is not God's word etched in stone. Beside, saying someone is the best coach he's played for doesn't mean this coach is the best coach for the Rockets, nor does it mean this coach can win a ring for the Rockets. As far as I recall, no player said anything resemble those two points regarding JVG. Sorry to pour a bucket of water over the JVG lovefest, but those two points are what really matters.
I forgot about Jeff Van Gundy taking one for Yao Ming in the playoffs last year. So, I support JVG. Keep him until he gets a solid team, if he can't win with a solid team, fire him. Guy still has more character than most. JVG!! JVG!! JVG!! JVG!! JVG!! JVG!! JVG!!
Tell the truth, I don't even care that much about what the players say about their coach, especially when they are saying it in public. Back to Rudy days, all players seemed loving him to death, Francis even threaten to quit if management fire him. But Rudy T still quit because, after all, where the team end up at the end of the season decides if the coach stays or not. You see, most of the posters of this bbs agree JVG is a good coach, even edc graded JVG's preparation for the games as A, it is not like all of us are blindly hating JVG. But after watching his coaching for 3 full years, a lot of us have a sense of his shortcomings and doubt if he could take Rox to another level. If he couldn't do it, we want another direction. NBA teams fire their coaches all the time. So what is new? I said before, Houston Rocket just happens to be one of few teams which are very patient with their coaches and are willing to tolerate failures. Sometime it is a good thing, sometimes it is not. If Joe Dumars thought like you guys do, he would never have hired Larry Brown and fired a coach who was coach of the year as a rookie and just had two consecutive 50 wins' season. And I always believe this, if you really like the guy, you will always find excuses to defend him. We saw it in Eddie Griffin case and Alston and James trade. So I don't expect to convince any of you. But just remember, eventually at some point, JVG has to find ways to lead this team to some successes in playoffs. Will it be next year? I don't know, but next year might be his only chance.
Jon Barry saying JVG is the best coach he has ever played for means Jon Barry thinks he is a better coach than Adelman, Carlisle, Wilkins, and Dunleavy. Three of those guys are the same guys posters on here talk about getting, and Wilkins was one game away from winning a title. I'd say that means all the JVG bashers can go suck an egg.
A couple of comments: Agreed it's all about results regardless of how much JB likes JVG or SF liked Rudy. I think the issue some in this thread have is the completely stupid comments some JVG bashers make about him. Like you say, not all are "are blindly hating JVG" but those posters that do have dominated the discussion most of this season. He's been blamed for everything except global warming. And there aren't many here that "will always find excuses to defend him". Using myself as an example, I've defended JVG only against the stupid off-the-wall comments, not legit basketball-related comments. Only a precious few have defended JVG against all charges. If you want that, talk to the Stro-lovers. What Joe Dumars did in Detroit was not as surprising as you may think. Supposedly Carlisle was a complete cancer not only in the lockerroom but apparently throughout the Pistons organization. From the owner, to Dumars, to the players to office staff, EVERYONE hated Carlisle's guts because he has serious relationship problems with everyone not named Larry Bird. NOT ONE PLAYER defended him after he was let go. Doesn't that tell you something? That's how intolerable the guy was even after winning 50+ games two years in a row. Since you think we need to go in another direction right now, who would you hire that would be an upgrade? Please go out on the line and name 2 or 3 guys who are better (and why) because you can't fire JVG without hiring someone to replace him. For the record, I'm ambivalent about JVG. I don't like him that much but I think he deserves another chance next season. However, if the Rox could upgrade I'm all for it. IMO, the only 2 untouchables we have this summer are Yao & Tracy. Next year being JVG's last chance here is not a maybe, it's a definite.
Per Apostolic 3: " A couple of comments: Agreed it's all about results regardless of how much JB likes JVG or SF liked Rudy. I think the issue some in this thread have is the completely stupid comments some JVG bashers make about him. Like you say, not all are "are blindly hating JVG" but those posters that do have dominated the discussion most of this season. He's been blamed for everything except global warming. And there aren't many here that "will always find excuses to defend him". Using myself as an example, I've defended JVG only against the stupid off-the-wall comments, not legit basketball-related comments. Only a precious few have defended JVG against all charges. If you want that, talk to the Stro-lovers. What Joe Dumars did in Detroit was not as surprising as you may think. Supposedly Carlisle was a complete cancer not only in the lockerroom but apparently throughout the Pistons organization. From the owner, to Dumars, to the players to office staff, EVERYONE hated Carlisle's guts because he has serious relationship problems with everyone not named Larry Bird. NOT ONE PLAYER defended him after he was let go. Doesn't that tell you something? That's how intolerable the guy was even after winning 50+ games two years in a row. Since you think we need to go in another direction right now, who would you hire that would be an upgrade? Please go out on the line and name 2 or 3 guys who are better (and why) because you can't fire JVG without hiring someone to replace him. For the record, I'm ambivalent about JVG. I don't like him that much but I think he deserves another chance next season. However, if the Rox could upgrade I'm all for it. IMO, the only 2 untouchables we have this summer are Yao & Tracy. Next year being JVG's last chance here is not a maybe, it's a definite." Excellent post. I have had mixed emotions about Van Gundy, but have never doubted his dedication or preparation. I support him. I do not see a better alternative out there. He can only go as far as his talent mix takes him. He will get them ready regardless. Now with a " techie" GM Assistant - apprentice- he will have some help getting talent. Good luck Jeff Van Gundy- you have this Rocket fan's support.
My 2 cents on JVG... I believe that he doesn't truly want to grind out games or slow this team down. But, and this is my biggest problem with him, JVG is not a very creative offensive coach. His offensive sets and schemes look quite ugly. I know some of it has to do with personnel, but JVG was the main force for bringing these guys in the first place. He doesn't have anyone to blame but himself if Ryan Bowen is causing defenders to double Yao without fear. And on the subject of "defense wins championships" earlier in the thread, it got me curious(and this being a Saturday and all), I decided to check out just how much it matters by checking out the previous champions. First number is offensive ranking. Second is defensive ranking. 2005: 8th, 1st 2004: 18th, 2nd 2003: 6th, 3rd 2002: 2nd, 7th 2001: 2nd, 19th 2000: 4th, 1st 1999: 10th, 1st 1998: 12th, 3rd 1997: 1st, 4th 1996: 1st, 1st 1995: 6th, 12th 1994: 14th, 4th Anyway, this list concludes with our first championship here. The average offensive ranking is 7. The median is 5. The average defensive ranking is 4.8. The median being 3. What does this mean? It means a championship team is usually among the top on both ends of the floor. At the very least, you have the absolutely amazing at one end, while be at least decent at the other. JVG's receipe of being mediocre on offense while playing great defense might work. But it's pretty unlikely unless we can get some better shutdown defenders like Detroit has.
Hilarious and sad..but true.hahaha. I mean heat have shaq but they mix it up a little bit..the problem with JVG is his plays are so damn obvious on offense..u dont throw the ball to yao off a single post in every play..it gets so obvious and defense can easily focus their defense on these plays...and his defense plays isnt great either (so overrated). If i was jvg i would just let players play on offense with motion offense with some freedom since it's a whole lotta better than his 2 set plays that are so obvious to defend
Yeah every word St. Barry said must be gospel, why don't you go suck... ok I'll lay off there. Now let's start a petition to fire Morey and advocate St. Barry.
Not necassarily. The so called experts aren't always right. Dick Vitale and Bill Simmons' word should be more credible than fellow BBS posters, but what they said about Yao were completely wrong. Yet the real point is, Jon Barry's words are misinterpreted to support the tenure with JVG, while the real point is, even if Jon Barry's words are more credible than fellow BBS posters, that doesn't mean JVG is indeed better than Carlisle, Adelmen... There's a gap between credibility and reality. Beside, who is Jon Barry, a career backup journey man masquerading as a GM? Being moderately successful as a soldier doesn't mean he is capable of being a king in choosing the right commander, never being a soldier doesn't mean he is not capable of being a king in choosing the right commander. Numerous kings never fought in real battle, but they've chosen many many more capable commanders than St. Barry.
there aint no *should be* about it....it IS more credible. I doubt there is a serious poster in this or any forum that wont admit JB is a smart guy when it comes to bball..it runs in the family. Three of the smartest basketball players on this team feel VG is good enough for them(Tmac, JB, and Yao)....and thats good enough for me. I will NEVER take the opinion of some random bbs-pseudo-analyst over that of several smart basketball player's opinion. Especially when those said pseudo-analysts opinions about other aspects of the game have proven to be ill-informed or just flatout stupid. that said....in my eyes, he has one more year to prove himself to me...he did good last year when we had actual talent....if they can restock with some good talent and we dont go deep deep deep in the postseason...Ill start to really wonder if he can ever do it here.
