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John McCain has no shame....

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mr.Scarface, Aug 8, 2008.

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  1. TheFreak

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    So I guess anyone who supports "the right to choose", can now safely be depicted as "supporting abortion"? "Pro-abortion" is now a legitimate categorization of this type of person?
     
  2. Batman Jones

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    Nope. I agree with you here. I think it's wrong to describe McCain as pro-torture just as it's wrong to describe pro-choicers as pro-abortion. In each case, I think it is more appropriate to use the language "the right to..." I am not pro-abortion; I am for "the right to an abortion." And I don't believe McCain is for torture, but his waterboarding vote did signal that he is in support of "the right of the government to torture." That was not his position before the GOP primaries, but it is now. Unless he's changed it again.

    You can be as offended as you like, but those are the facts. McCain's position on torture has changed.
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    except abortion wasn't recently illegal and something our nation has publicly spoken out against almost since it's conception.
     
  4. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    delete. see below.
     
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  5. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Wow, okay fixed it for y'all. That was my entire post, and as per the training of our modern media, you went right after one phrase to dismiss the entire thing. Roxran, TheFreak, care to respond to the rest of the post, if I can recover from forever being stained?

    1. McC supports Bush tax cuts. check.
    2. McC supports the right of the US to some forms of torture, as defined by Geneva conv.
    3. McC is framing his campaign, presently, as a negative response to Obama.
    4. McC claims, citing nothing and counter to the last 28 years of evidence, that a democrat in the Whitehouse will somehow outspend GWB.

    Those are four of my big problems with him. I just want the McCain I had grown to know and respect for the last two decades returned to us. Seriously. His common sense, his humor, his respectful bipartisan tone, and his guts to stand up for his principles. Maybe that would all come back after the election, but I'm not willing to risk it with my vote.
     
  6. mc mark

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    Remember the Harold Ford Jr "Call Me" ad?

    Well it seems McCain has doubled down and begs Obama to play the race card

    White Chicks heart Obama...

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  7. mc mark

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    "gotta keep your sense of humor"


    That was McCain's response when asked about Jerome Corsi's swift boat book, "The Obama Nation"

    So much for that campaign of ideas.
     
  8. bnb

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    McCain's campaign is interesting to watch. He's a 'maverick/loose cannon" that the GOP machine is trying desperately to mould in their vision. But he wiggles too much. He can't repeat the talking points credibly. He can't dodge a question. He laughs when he shouldn't. Awkwardly. He can't bridge his previous 'straight talk' with their current 'this is how you do it.'

    The backroom players will all have ulcers by the time this is over. Add in Obama's strengths, and huge funding advantage and this thing ain't going to be pretty. I feel for the old boy. I really do. I don't think he's the conniving flip floppin schemer some of you would like to make him out to be. He's simply not the guy his campaign advisors would like us to believe he is. And it shows.

    Hillary's campaign memos were an interesting read. McCain's would be surreal. Laugh out loud incredulous. I want the movie rights! I want to grab a beer with Sen McCain when this is over. If he writes a tell-all this spring, I'm preordering.
     
  9. Deckard

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    The "old John McCain" seems to be on extended vacation, B-Bob. Instead, we're left with... (drum roll)

    The Stepford McCain.




    Impeach Bush/Cheney.
     
  10. Mulder

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    The sad thing is this just isn't true. I have very little faith in the red state middle american non-internet using population. They are sheeple and still believe most of this stupid crap.
     
  11. B-Bob

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    From the McCain shame newswire, we have a lil' litigation!*

    Jackson Browne sues McCain, GOP

    LOS ANGELES - Jackson Browne doesn't want John McCain running on anything fueled by his lyrics.

    The singer-songwriter sued McCain and the Ohio and national Republican committees in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles on Thursday, accusing them of using his song "Running on Empty" without his permission.

    The lawsuit claims the song's use was an infringement of his copyright and will lead people to conclude he endorses McCain. The suit says Browne is a lifelong liberal who is as well-known for his music as for being "an advocate for social and environmental justice."

    The advertisement mocks Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's contention that if U.S. drivers got regular tuneups and drove on properly inflated tires, they could save the same amount of oil that would be gained by offshore drilling. According to the suit, "Running on Empty" plays in the background of the ad criticizing the remarks.

    Robert Bennett, chairman of the Ohio party, said the ad was pulled when Browne objected. He called the lawsuit a "big to-do about nothing."

    McCain spokesman Brian Rogers disavowed the ad, saying it wasn't a product of the Republican presidential candidate's campaign.

    Browne's lawsuit contends the Ohio Republican party released the ad on behalf of McCain and the RNC. The RNC did not return a phone call seeking comment.

    The suit notes that other musicians, including ABBA and John Cougar Mellencamp, have asked McCain to stop using their work.

    Browne's attorney, Lawrence Iser, called the ad's use of the song "reprehensible."

    The 59-year-old singer claims his reputation has already been damaged and is seeking more than $75,000 in damages.

    Browne released "Running on Empty" — the song and an album by the same name — in 1977. According to the lawsuit, the album has sold more than 7 million copies.

    Browne's financial success has aided Democratic candidates over the years. Campaign finance records show he contributed $2,300 to Obama's presidential campaign last year and $2,000 to the Illinois senator's campaign coffers in 2004.

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    * Please note: isn't it cool that I didn't start a whole new negative thread for this rather small but amusing bit of news? (hint, HINT)
     
  12. dandorotik

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    Hates music, the homeless, and animals. Nice. How about basketball? You can't possibly be a Rockets fan, can you? That would mean you'd have to spend many, many hours every year watching sports- which, according to your criteria, is a big waste of time- instead of making the world a better place. I know my world is much better due to your contributions.

    And I know that jazz musicians, labrador retrievers, and down-on-their-luck-not-because-they-want-to-be individuals everywhere thank you, as well.
     

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