Then don't let him come to camp. As long as we don't sign him and then cut him we have his rights for one year + any years of playing in other pro leagues. I assume he will make his living playing elsewhere, and we control his rights. Right now this seems preferred that adding another roster spot and cutting another player to make room for him or signing him and cutting him and losing his rights. Also, as long as we don't sign him we are free to trade him without adding salary. I think the trade for Scola/Butler and the signing of Francis (which added 3 players for 1), and the fact Landry didn't blow up the summer league, really impacts now what we are thinking with Landry. I don't think we should sign him given we have to make some cuts, personally. Yes we are off Lucas, but this is an important roster question and there isn't much to talk about concerning JL3 anyway . Wait, how about this, why don't we trade JL3 and the rights to Landry for something (Leon Powe, Justin Williams, Bobcats for a 2nd rounder?)
this huge of a thread for a 'scoop' that never even materialized..what happened? I was pretty excited to get rid of him
If this is true, I'm wondering what was keeping Scola and Navarro from showing up to camp and forcing the Spurs/Wizards to either sign them or lose them.
Wizards and Spurs can't sign them, because Navarro and Scola are prevented from signing another contract until the buyout clause is satisfied with their Spanish teams. Landry doesn't have a contract with a buyout clause.
because they were under contract to their european teams when they were drafted. they had to get out of their contracts first. and they were good enough to demand guaranteed contracts in the nba while landry is not.
He does not have the right to be signed, he is a 2nd round pick. So long as we don't sign him to a contract we have his rights 1 year, or 1 year + his last paid year of basketball. I don't think we would sign him. Let him sign in some other league I (I assume this is how he will make a living) and we will hold onto his rights until we have an open roster spot for him or a decent trade offer..
Maybe NO is trying to send us cash and we are demanding a pick, or we are trying to package JLIII in another deal hence the delay in getting rid of him. Also, JLIII is not seen as a major move, so it's on the backburner.
Remember, Justin Reed can't be traded in a package until August 14. So if the Rockets are waiting on a deal involving Reed, that may hold up any deal involving JLIII (which may be contingent on another deal).
desert scar...you are wrong...he has to be tendered a non guaranteed contract and has the right to go to camp.
Makes sense, it would be wrong to be able to draft a guy and then not have him even get a contract. Maybe they are hoping to convince him to go to Europe for a year.....he really doesn't have a spot right now. DD
It make not make sense, it may not be fair, but I have found nothing to support denniscd's position. I could be wrong of course, but here is the language from Coon's info. I have found no indication you are under any obligation to sign 2nd round picks to any contract whatsoever, at at worst you retain that player's rights for one year post draft--if they don't sign a professional contract in any basketball league. http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#42 42. What if the team and player can't agree to a contract? What options does the player have? How long does the team keep his draft rights? The player's options are limited. What happens depends on a number of factors: If the player is already under contract to, or signs a contract with a non-NBA team, the team retains the player's draft rights for one year after the player's obligation to the non-NBA team ends. Essentially, the clock stops as long as the player plays pro ball outside the NBA. Players are not included in the team's team salary while the player is under contract with a non-NBA team. If the player was still eligible to play in college before he was drafted, the team retains the player's draft rights until the draft the player would have entered had he not left college early. For example, if a team drafts a college sophomore in 2005, they retain his draft rights until the date of the 2007 draft. Note that the current NCAA rules state that players lose their NCAA eligibility if they are drafted, so the player could not return or go on to play college ball. For all other players, the team retains the player's draft rights until the date of the next draft. In any of the above cases, if the team does not sign the player in the allotted time, the player can enter the next draft. If the team that selects the player in the next draft doesn't sign him either, he becomes a rookie free agent. When a team signs a first round draft pick in a year other than the year in which he was drafted, the player is signed using the salary scale for the year in which he is signed, not the year in which he was drafted. An exception to this is for players drafted prior to 2005, under the previous CBA. These players may be signed according to the rules for scale contracts set forth in the previous CBA, including three guaranteed years plus one option year, at the scale salary for the year in which the player was drafted. 43. Do draft picks count against the team's salary cap? If so, how much? Unsigned first round picks are included in team salary immediately upon their selection in the draft. They count as 100% of the scale salary for that pick, unless there is a verbal agreement for a higher salary. An incident occurred prior to the 1997-98 season when Vancouver's first round pick, Antonio Daniels, revealed in an interview that he and the team had verbally agreed to a contract starting at the maximum salary (120% of the scale amount). Since verbal agreements apply to the salary cap, the league then changed the team's cap figure from the scale amount to 120% of scale. Once a first round pick signs a contract, his actual salary is included in the team salary, of course. 43 .....Unsigned second round picks are not included in team salary. This is a loophole that Houston once tried to use by trading a first round pick for a second round pick in order to clear cap room.
No, you can't retain a players rights if you don't offer them a contract. Teams have to offer a 2nd round pick at least a one year deal by Sept. 6th or they lose the rights to the player. So, in order to retain Landry's rights, Houston has to at least offer him a one year deal by Sept. 6th and of course, he's free to accept it. From Coon's FAQ: See Question #89, which explains what a "Required Tender" is. http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#89 A second round draft pick can accept a required tender, which is a one-year contract offer teams must submit to retain their rights to the player. And See question #97 which specifies the date the required tender must be offered by. http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#97 September 6 Second round draft picks become free agents if not given a required tender Here's the actual verbage from the NBA CBA: Article X, Section 4, Item (d) (d) If a player is drafted by a Team in either an Initial or Subsequent Draft and that Team does not make a Required Tender to such player, the player will become a Rookie Free Agent on the July 16 following such Draft (for a First Round Pick) or on the September 6 following such Draft (for a Second Round Pick).
I agree. If we can't pass his rights on with a JL3, Rafer or Head trade (probably two of which need to go), trade his rights for a future 2nd. I believe you can trade unsigned picks without taking back a player/salary. JL3 and Landry to an under the cap team or team with a small TE for a 2nd rounder would be fine at this point. To somewhat get in the spirit of this thread, unfortunatly I believe we signed JL3 for over the min and thus we have to take matching salary/player/TE back, shame we did that instead of a 2 year min last year where I think we would have no such restrictions. Aelliott, thanks for the clarification, I had not come across those sections. Supposedly we still have the rights of Kyle Hill, right. Did he refuse our tender? Are a fair amount of 2nd round picks declining tenders so that the drafting teams retain them? Curious, thanks.
Since there's no salary scale for 2nd round picks and the offer doesn't have to be a guarenteed deal, it's often more attractive to take an offer from a European team. You can take less money and more risk to try to make an NBA team, but alot of guys go with the higher dollars and longer term guarentee in Europe. International leagues don't pay NBA rates, but it still beats working.
