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John Forbes Kerry Refuses to Release Military Records

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by El_Conquistador, Apr 20, 2004.

  1. Rocket Fan

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    franchise.. trader was referring to the fact that the commanding officer compared it to a finger nail scrape
     
  2. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Ok, I found a link that says that Forbes Kerry had two injuries:
    http://wid.ap.org/documents/kerry/actionreports.pdf


    1) Shrapnel wound in the left thigh, relatives not notified, prognosis good, condition good, presence of NOK is not medically warranted

    2) Shrapnel wound in left buttocks and contusion in right forearm, condition good, prognosis excellent, presence of NOK is not medically warranted

    Where is the third injury?
     
  3. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Here is a very interesting post from the Kerry website forums:
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    I'm on the fence when it comes to the best man for the job in November, but as a Vietnam vet with two tours (1970-72) flying over 200 Air Force combat missions over Laos, South Vietnam and Cambodia, I do want to know the extent of the injuries sustained by Kerry.

    I refused to write Purple Heart nominations for two of my air crew who sustained minor shrapnel wounds that were closed with one or two bandaids. One was a minor slice to an earlobe and the other was a shallow razor type cut to a shoulder.

    The prevailing thought among aircrews was that Purple Hearts were for more severe injuries that required hospitalization... or at least a visit to the Flight Surgeon.


    If Kerry would just describe the wounds or provide any documentation, I think his credibility would be enhanced.
     
  4. Rocket Fan

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    I think it's fair to want to know the injuries just because things can vary. You can get a purple heart for losing a leg or for something much less than that. I'm not denying that Kerry got injured etc or saying he didn't deserve his purple hearts.. if he got him then someone eventually decided he deserved them.. I just find it fair to ask what each was for.. to know if he got them for minor injuries or almost losing a leg etc..
     
  5. rimbaud

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    TJ,

    Is texx your older or younger brother?
     
  6. RocketMan Tex

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    Nothing like having a Presidential election that's all about the "issues", eh?:rolleyes:
     
  7. Chump

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    http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp

    keep trying monkeyboy, keep dancing...its not like your reputation here can get any worse
     
  8. El_Conquistador

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    Chump, you are clearly implying that the link I posted was false. Your snopes link does not support that. Sorry.

    What does add up is Forbes Kerry's desire to put himself up for medals every time he skinned his knee at the mess hall so that he could have some credentials for his run for congress (which he did immediately after voluntarily leaving Vietnam early).
     
  9. GladiatoRowdy

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    He has. Read the link, idiot.

    And it would still be a thousand times more valorious than volunteering to fly planes out of Ellington and Alabama.

    Only to people incapable of comprehending even the most simple reading material, like yourself.

    And again, even this is infinitely better than volunteering for an assignment that had zero chance of landing one in 'Nam.

    Actually, the only way Kerry has trashed today's soldiers is in the lies and minds of the right. You can continue to lie about his positions, but the rest of us see through it.

    As far as I am concerned, Kerry is a hero for going to Vietnam, performing bravely and honorably, and then coming home and helping to get the war ended.

    You are the one slinging mud and trashing people. You are the one disgracing the memory of our soldiers who went to and died in Vietnam by saying that Kerry is to be looked down on despite his record of distinguished service. You are the one spewing filth and Americans will see through it.
     
  10. GladiatoRowdy

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    Even if this is true, Kerry's service is infinitely better than GWB and his decision to stay in Texas rather than fighting for his country.
     
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    Funny that with Kerry the Republicans are arguing about the severity of his wounds and with Bush were arguing about how close to AWOL he was.


    Bush missed his *mandatory* flight physical and was suspended from active flying status. There is a required probe if this happens. What happened to records of that probe?

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/a...s_of_flying_status_should_have_spurred_probe/

    Bush's loss of flying status should have spurred probe
    By Walter V. Robinson and Francie Latour, Globe Staff, 2/12/2004

    President Bush's August 1972 suspension from flight status in the Texas Air National Guard -- triggered by his failure to take a required annual flight physical -- should have prompted an investigation by his commander, a written acknowledgement by Bush, and perhaps a written report to senior Air Force officials, according to Air Force regulations in effect at the time.

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    Brigadier General David L. McGinnis, a former top aide to the assistant secretary of Defense for Reserve Affairs, said in an interview that Bush's failure to remain on flying status amounts to a violation of the signed pledge by Bush that he would fly for at least five years after he completed flight school in November 1969.

    "Failure to take your flight physical is like a failure to show up for duty. It is an obligation you can't blow off," McGinnis said.

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  12. GladiatoRowdy

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    Congratulations. I will join you in voting for a good, principled Republican once one is nominated, as I will join you in voting for Kerry, though it will be my first vote for a Democratic presidential candidate in over a decade.
     
  13. El_Conquistador

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    andymoon, I, along with millions of other Americans consider your lack of respect for the National Guard to be DISGUSTING. The courageous men and women that serve in the Guard should not be disrespected in this manner. They are doing a service to our great nation in a time of need. There *did* exist a chance for Guardsmen to serve abroad, as documented yesterday on this very BBS. Perhaps you missed that. Unlike you, I respect the Guard and consider service in the Guard to be honorable.
     
  14. RocketMan Tex

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    Signing up soon, Sunshine?:D
     
  15. GladiatoRowdy

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    I did not disrespect our guardsmen. You are the disgusting one for lying by inferring that I have a lack of respect for our guardsmen. I know it is one of your preprogrammed talking points, but it is nonetheless despicable that you would stoop to lying to mischaracterize my statement.

    I specifically said that even if Kerry had a superficial wound as the third Purple Heart, his service was better than the service of GWB, who volunteered to stay in Texas during Vietnam. The plane that he trained for had already been pulled from 'Nam and as such he couldn't be sent over.

    I have a great deal of respect for our fighting men and women, so much in fact, that I would not send them to their deaths in an unjustifiable war. Nor would I denigrate the service of our active duty troops by claiming that "service" in the Champagne Division in Texas is anywhere near the kind of service given by our troops who spent one (or more, like Kerry) tours in country in 'Nam.

    You are the one disrespecting our troops, not me.

    Try again, moron.
     
  16. Chump

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    "Kerry earned his Silver Star on 28 February 1969, when he beached his craft and jumped off it with an M-16 rifle in hand to chase and shoot a guerrilla who was running into position to launch a B-40 rocket at Kerry's boat."

    "While exiting the river, a mine detonated under another Inshore Patrol Craft and almost simultaneously, another mine detonated wounding Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry in the right arm"


    so your trying to tell us that Kerry was just driving the boat around the river, just LOOKING for mines and VC to shoot at em so he would earning medals to make himself look better ?

    this is pathetic, even for you
     
  17. mc mark

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    I find it disgusting the lengths that the dittohead attack machine would pervert a man's service to his country the way they are going after Kerry. Who gives a flying **** how he was hurt! He served honorably! Unlike all the neocons who found a way to dodge service. Yeah! They're the real patriots! :rolleyes:
     
  18. Chump

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    Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - did not serve

    House Majority Leader Tom Delay - did not serve

    House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve

    Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve.

    Majority Whip Mitch McConnell - did not serve

    VP Cheney - several deferments - did not serve

    Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve

    Karl Rove - did not serve

    Paul Wolfowitz, did not serve

    Richard Perle, did not serve
     
  19. RocketMan Tex

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    John Kerry earned three Purple Hearts.

    His wounds are described in detail on his website.

    Purple Heart Scorecard:

    John Forbes Kerry - 3
    George Walker Bush - 0
     
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