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John Bolton on the greatest misconception Democrats have about Republicans

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Dec 12, 2011.

  1. gifford1967

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    So, I think you've answered this question.
     
  2. basso

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    what does illegal immigration have to do with the concept of liberty in america? they're here illegally, are they not?
     
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    They're illegal because someone forgot to drop the liberty punch when it comes to the flawed immigration system, since I guess liberty is only reserved for taxpayers, and a swift electrocution death or a big wall or a moat full of alligators are all the Republican party can spare for immigrants trying to pursue the liberty of chasing the best opportunities they can have.

    anyways, it's abundantly clear what kind of liberty Bolton is looking for---the type that comes in satchel bags, for the privileged few. It's the only time mainstream Republicans are truly looking for "liberty"---and whether that is because of their abundant benevolence for their fellow citizens or not, matters little when you get to the brass tacks of Republican policy choices, since most don't make sense from an empirical point of view either.
     
  4. basso

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    well, it is reserved for citizens. i agree the legal immigration system in this country needs work, but that's a separate issue from how to deal with illegal immigrants, both those who are already here, and those who may attempt to come.

    my feeling is we should secure the border, and not harsh to much on folks who are already here. i'd offer them a path to citizenship if they want it, but as others have said, not an expedited path.
     
  5. JuanValdez

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    Unimpressed.
     
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    John Bolton is to the word "brilliant" what Lindsey Lohan is to the word "sober"
     
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  8. basso

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    i suppose this is the kind of thing that gets you upset?

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    Navy buys biofuel for $16 a gallon
    POSTED AT 7:00 PM ON DECEMBER 11, 2011 BY J.E. DYER


    This is going to help the Defense Department weather looming budget cuts, for sure. Teaming up with the Department of Agriculture (which has a cheery Rotary Club ring to it), the Navy has purchased 450,000 gallons of biofuel for about $16 a gallon, or about 4 times the price of its standard marine fuel, JP-5, which has been going for under $4 a gallon.

    You won’t be surprised to learn that a member of Obama’s presidential transition team, T. J. Glauthier, is a “strategic advisor” at Solazyme, the California company that is selling a portion of the biofuel to the Navy. Glauthier worked – shock, shock – on the energy-sector portion of the 2009 stimulus bill.

    The Navy sale isn’t Solazyme’s first trip to the public trough, of course. The company got a $21.8 million grant from the 2009 stimulus package.


    Solazyme’s partner in the biofuel sale is Dynamic Fuels, a Louisiana company owned jointly by Tyson Foods and Tulsa-based Syntroleum. Tyson and Syntroleum are distinguished by having profitable lines of business that do not rely on government grants to unprofitable “green” projects. This does not make their biofuel product price-competitive with fossil fuels, however. (They were induced to develop biofuel manufacturing processes by a combination of subsidies and tax breaks.)

    The Dynamic Fuels plant was opened for business in Geismar, LA in 2010, becoming by far the largest biofuels plant in North America – and reportedly, in combination with a plant in Finland, a producer of 94% of the world’s biofuels. This is great boosterism stuff, but the biofuels produced by Dynamic Fuels are still considerably more expensive than the fossil-fuel alternative. Dynamic Fuels has begun supplying aviation biofuel to KLM, the Dutch flag carrier, but of course, the use of more-expensive biofuels by commercial carriers has to be subsidized by governments.

    If governments stopped subsidizing biofuels, their artificial “profitability” would disappear overnight. Price-wise, they can’t compete with fossil fuels. The day may come when they can, but subsidizing them while they don’t is not a method with any record of success for encouraging price efficiency. What it does instead is create languishing public dependencies and tremendous opportunities for cronyism, as demonstrated in the Solyndra scandal.

    As the Institute for Energy Research article (top link) indicates, the US has enormous reserves of both conventional and unconventional oil and natural gas resources. Opening them up for exploitation would, among other things, ensure that the US armed forces could buy cheaper fuel – cheaper than today’s prices – produced in the USA. At a time when federal debt is spiraling and the Defense Department is facing budget cuts that are guaranteed to gut the fighting forces and render them ineffective, it seems to border on insane to eschew a ready, significantly cheaper alternative and require the armed services to quadruple what they pay for fuel as a proof of concept – apparently with the idea that the forces should buy more of the 4-times-as-expensive fuel. This is, after all, our national security we’re talking about.
     
  9. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    One side believes that the role of gov't is to be that of referee - to make sure the game is set so that those who work harder and smarter are the ones who succeed, the ones with inherent talent. And to make sure that their are no cheaters, and that there are no cheap shots to take out talented players.

    The other side believes that the players should be able to game the system, use money to influence the referees, make up their own rules as they go, or work with the score keeper to manipulate the results.

    I side with the first one, guess you side with the second.
     
  10. CrazyDave

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    I guess someone should start a "Greatest misconceptions the Republicans have about what they think are the greatest misconceptions Democrats have about Republicans" thread next.
     
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    Other prominent supporters of basso/bolton freedom agenda:

    Marie Antoinette: "Let them eat cake"

    Ron Paul fans "Let him die!WOOHOOOO!!!!"
     
  12. basso

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    Obama: "As I've always said, someone left the cake out in the rain before we got here, and it took so long to bake it. now, we'll never have that recipe again."
     
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    Thanks for illustrating the need for more regulations. Regulations could help halt those kinds of waste.
     
  14. basso

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    talent and work ethic are not the same things. there are also plenty of people with one, the other, or both, who never succeed, but not because others are cheating.

    this is called "life," and there are no prizes for just showing up.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    Other prominent supporters of the basso/bolton freedom agenda:

     

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