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John Bolton on the greatest misconception Democrats have about Republicans

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  1. basso

    basso Contributing Member
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    This is brilliant, and deserves to be shared far and wide:

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    “The core misimpression is that a fundamental belief in liberty and it’s implications is somehow cruel and uncaring. When in fact, liberty is absolutely central to the most massive economic change in the history of the world that has brought more concrete material advantages to people in the last few hundred years than in millennia before that. And that understanding liberty means you have to value the possibility of failure as well as the possibility of success. Because if you don’t have failure as an option, you’ll never have success as an option.

    It’s not lack of compassion that drives many Republican policy preferences, it’s a belief in the inherent importance of individual self-worth and not being dependent on external factors like the government.”
     
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  2. pgabriel

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    John Bolton LOL

    They were talking about Germany's restrictions on starting a new business on CNBC this morning. its easier in america, somehow that socialist cest pool has a better economy per person
     
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  3. jo mama

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    why dont republicans apply this same standard to multi-national corporations, the military industrial complex and wall street?

    and btw, john bolton is a douchebag.
     
    #3 jo mama, Dec 12, 2011
  4. Dubious

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    fixed

    Just more evidence of an endemic hubris and self importance, like overpaying the executives who are so important they must be paid or they won't do their jobs, but are oblivious as to why their companies failed, who was running the scams under their watch or where the money is; but against paying the teachers a living wage when they are the basis of the country's economy.
     
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  5. Major

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    Except, of course, when those free people don't share his views:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20031648-503544.html

    John Bolton: Egyptian Democracy May be Bad News
     
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  6. Dubious

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    Why does someone grow a walrus mustache? It's got to get in the way when you eat.
     
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  7. basso

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    well, that pretty much sums up the differences then- one side believes rights, and opportunity, are granted and controlled by the government. the other believes that rights are innate, and opportunity flows from the greatest economic freedom.

    i side w/ nature and liberty.
     
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  8. Dubious

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    not granted, afforded

    'Society' means we work together to pool our efforts to yield a result greater than the parts.

    Your "freedom" comes from other people out there teaching the children, caring for the sick, putting out the fires, fighting the wars, building the infrastructure, moving the goods performing the services, taking care of the sewage, taking a way the garbage; but all the Republicans ever consider is that these things happen because the people that do them are undermotivated to become bankers, lawyers and managers.

    They are equal and essential functions of society and deserve equal representation in government and a livable wage with a reasonable amount of health care and social security for their efforts.

    For me, the guy that comes out and sucks the crap out of my sewer line so that it makes it to the lift station instead of backing up into my house should make a better living than the guy who is falsely rating mortgages in an office in Manhattan. (or whatever it is you do)
     
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  9. Major

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    Except, of course, when you don't.
     
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  10. jo mama

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    ladies love 'the tickler'.

    not if you are a republican.
     
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  11. Northside Storm

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    Which liberty exactly?

    The liberty to have a same-sex marriage or an abortion?

    The liberty to smoke mar1juana?

    The liberty of well, not living in the highest incarceration rate country, supported by a fourth amendment-violating surveillance system, delivered by yours truly, liberty loving Republicans?

    Or, heh, the liberty not to pay taxes?
     
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  12. rimrocker

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    basso leads the charge and tries to show the way for Liberals only to be pelted by unAmerican posters...

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/0Dy2fo6E_pI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
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  13. basso

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    which is when?
     
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    yes

    no

    sure.

    a statement, not a question

    i pay far more in taxes than you.
     
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  15. Dubious

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    i pay far more in taxes than you.

    It's a godamn privilege, that comes with no more moral authority. You pay more taxes because all the working stiffs out there in America do their jobs allowing you to make enough to pay more taxes.

    That's what You (the royal you) don't get. Everyone else is out here working, probably harder than you; no office, no coffee, no lunch break, no ergo chair, no posting inane bull**** on company time. It's a system. It's inter-related, it works because we work together. It doesn't work when one part is exploitative, duplicitous, liars, overpaid by cronyism, and then subverts the system with the money so they can make more money.
     
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    The fact that you post this just shows you're as ignorant as Bolton. Wow, you even called it brilliant.

    The comment underscores republican ignorance of the left more than vice versa.

    Do I have to go find some quote from the far-far-far-left and start a worthless thread about it?
     
    #16 ROXTXIA, Dec 12, 2011
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    Why don't you take another crack at this question and then we'll have a better idea at where you draw the line between liberty and tyranny.

     
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    The liberty of constant self serving diversion.
     
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  19. basso

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    sorry, no.
     
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  20. Northside Storm

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    And I bet that's where the need for liberty hits you hardest.

    I'd ask more standard "liberty" questions---(like do you believe in the complete liberty of mobility of labour aka, amnesty for illegal immigrants, and an opening of the borders?) but I think it's been established pretty clearly that the standard Republican view (minus the libertarians---who are at least consistently ideological) is massively against nature and liberty.
     
    #20 Northside Storm, Dec 12, 2011
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