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[Joe Klein] McCain has lost all honor

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Sep 10, 2008.

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  1. ChenZhen

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    All you lawyer wannabes trying to defend this piece of crap is just sick in the head. "Technically"?? Are you kidding me?

    To me, it's purely propaganda...the same propoganda the Bush administration have been using for years...Technically? :D
     
  2. JuanValdez

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    Unlike my fellow Obama supporters, I'm not offended or disappointed by McCain's campaign. He and Obama are doing what they can to be elected. I may be a little disappointed (though not surprised) that this kind of stuff works on the electorate, but it does.

    I thought B-Bob already addressed this. Obama has also worked as a lawyer and as a professor of law for a decade or so at one of the most prestigious law schools (teaching constitutional law, I believe) in the nation, aside from his political jobs.
     
  3. B-Bob

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    Thanks, but the facts don't matter. They say Obama was only a community organizer, so I guess I'm supposed to just say Palin was only a sports anchor. McCain was only an assistant to a beer distributor. I think he was tortured by a rival brewery.

    What elevated rhetoric.
     
  4. bnb

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    The 'community organizer' bit doesn't bother me at all. It's one of those funny wtf job descriptions like 'business consultant' that's good fodder for partisan speeches. You have to expect that.

    The sex ed for kindergarten ad is WAY over the top. Hard to believe it's not comedy.

    (and although I've disagreed with most of the attacks on Palin, the Sulivan piece linking her selection to the theme of National Security is bang on).
     
  5. kpsta

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    Having been subjected to "333 export" before, I am probably not alone in suggesting that some Vietnamese breweries may very well be proponents of torture.

    [​IMG]
     
  6. bejezuz

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    What the hell is a lie in your world then? How can a material misrepresentation about what the bill is about not be a lie? Just because you say is true, if you intend to mislead you are lying in the eyes of the law and the eyes of anyone with any sort of moral compass.

    How would you feel if Obama released an ad saying that because McCain ran an ad against the bill that he supports pedophiles? It would be "technically" true, but wouldn't it also be misleading? In fact, arguing that McCain supports pedophiles is probably less misleading than arguing that Obama wants to teach children about sex before they can read.
     
  7. mc mark

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    More Lies

    CBS takes Demands YouTube remove "Misleading" McCain ad --


    YouTube has removed a webad that casts Sarah Palin as the victim of sexism on the request of CBS, whose anchor Katie Couric was featured in the ad.

    “One of the great lessons of that campaign is the continued and accepted role of sexism in American life," Couric is quoted in the ad.

    In the original clip, she was talking about Hillary Clinton; the ad applies her words to Sarah Palin.

    Asked about the ad, CBS spokeswoman Leigh Farris said, "CBS News does not endorse any candidate in the Presidential race. Any use of CBS personnel in political advertising that suggests the contrary is misleading."


    http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080910/pl_politico/21051;_ylt=Ai8yg8IvRbIXqQniUav6sY.s0NUE
     
  8. sook

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    Exactly what i wanted to say, thnx ;)
     
  9. Major

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    You realize McCain's always and only been employed by the government, right? Military, Congress, Senate. He's never held a private sector "real life" job.
     
  10. plutoblue11

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    Actually it is not that far fetched. While we were in the 1st grade, I remembered learning about the "good touch" and "bad touch." And watching those videos, some of the videos actually made a clear distinctions between boys and girls. It even briefly talked about pregnancy.
     
  11. Invisible Fan

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    You're making too much sense in this forum.

    Must be a glitch in the Matrix.
     
  12. Lil Pun

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    Did the basketball player really write the article? :confused:
     
  13. rimrocker

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    No. This was done by a columnist who dabbles in novels.
     
  14. professorjay

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    The McCain campaign looks like a sensationalism factory at this point.
     
  15. mc mark

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    The question is when is the MSM going to start calling him on it?
     
  16. mc mark

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    via TPM --

    Lying McCain

    It's become pathological.

    John McCain just claimed on TV that Sarah Palin has never requested an earmark for her state -- when actually her state gets more earmarks than any other state in the country. And this year she asked for $197 million worth of them herself.

    Even the AP couldn't ignore his lying -- even though they phrased it in their own anemic way. "When pressed about Palin's record of requesting and accepting such money for Alaska, McCain ignored the record and said: "Not as governor she didn't."

    For the record Palin requested $197 million this year and $256 million last year. Per capita, that's $288 this year and $376 last year.

    To give you some perspective, Palin herself requested at least ten times the dollar value of earmarks as most states get total every year.

    --Josh Marshall
     
  17. mc mark

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    Response from the Obama canmpaign..

     
  18. A_3PO

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    At this point, I can't say I'm surprised. I completely lost all respect for McCain about a month ago. Whatever honor he had from being a POW has been flushed down the toilet. The hypocrisy of him accusing Obama of doing/saying [whatever] because winning the election was more important than doing what is right just blows my mind.

    It's hard to believe that I used to respect him so much. McCain has sold himself out to the dark side and some people actually believe, as president, he is going to bite these same people that are dragging him across the finish line.
     
  19. mc mark

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    Andrew Sullivan on McCain --

    Assuming They're Not Crazy

    I'm in two minds whether John McCain has lost his mind or never had a soul. But I have to say I am surprised by the barrage of lies and distractions his campaign is throwing out. The farce of the Palin candidacy is one such distraction - but the lies about sex education, the lies about Palin's pork record, the lies about "tiny" Iran, the lies about the lipstick-pig nonsense, the lies about the bridge to nowhere, the lies about the oil pipeline ... I mean, what is going on?

    Some believe this is just GOP hardball. But it actually isn't. They're usually not this stupid. If you are going to broadcast a series of outrageous, demonstrable lies to smear your opponent, you tend to to that in the last two weeks of a campaign, so the lies can actually stick before they are debunked. But in September?

    I know many people believe that the American people - especially the under-informed swing voters - are too dumb to know when they are being lied to. But these lies are so obvious and irrefutable that this cannot be true. And the sheer viciousness of the personal attacks on Obama make Rove's attack on McCain in 2000 seem mild.

    Here's what I think. I think McCain is out of it. I think he checked out of his own campaign and handed it over to Schmidt and his fellow Rovians. This does not mean he does not have total responsibility. John McCain is now for ever a despicable and dishonest and dishonorable man. He has destroyed his reputation. But he is also trying to do what he can to win this election. If this is how he intends to win this election, he has mis-timed his lies.

    So my assumption is that this is all about trying to get into Obama's head and get him to make a mistake. Which is why Obama needs now more than ever to stay calm and confident and focused.

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/
     
  20. mc mark

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    McCain Barbs Stirring Outcry as Distortions

    By MICHAEL COOPER and JIM RUTENBERG
    Published: September 12, 2008

    Harsh advertisements and negative attacks are a staple of presidential campaigns, but Senator John McCain has drawn an avalanche of criticism this week from Democrats, independent groups and even some Republicans for regularly stretching the truth in attacking Senator Barack Obama’s record and positions.

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    “They just keep stirring the pot, and I think the McCain folks realize if they can get this thing down in the mud, drag Obama into the mud, that’s where they have the best advantage to win,”
     

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