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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SuraGotMadHops, May 12, 2021.

  1. Air Langhi

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    Gas prices are going up because companies realize that drill baby drill is an idiotic idea. No one is going to give these little startups money to drill.
     
  2. DonatelloLimestone

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    What do you know about Hamas?

    That it’s sworn to destroy Israel? That it’s a terrorist group, proscribed both by the United States and the European Union? That it rules Gaza with an iron fist? That it’s killed hundreds of innocent Israelis with rocket, mortar, and suicide attacks?

    But did you also know that Hamas — which is an Arabic acronym for “Islamic Resistance Movement” — would probably not exist today were it not for the Jewish state? That the Israelis helped turn a bunch of fringe Palestinian Islamists in the late 1970s into one of the world’s most notorious militant groups? That Hamas is blowback?

    This isn’t a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”)

    “The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”

    “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote."

    Big difference between government and populace.
    Do you really think jews should blindly support Netanyahu who has ran on fear constantly. he was just in the UN some 10 years ago stating iran was a few weeks from an attack and finishing his little cartoon chart of nucleur war.

    He was charged and supported for corruption and self dealing by members of his own party, his own police...no arabs even.

    His son is known as another adult grifter who just lives off of taxpayers, even taking cuts from israeli charities to open up business, was further caught on mike asking his friend to spot him for a prostitute while claiming my dad helped your dad with a billion dollar business.

    This isn't about iran vs jews, not even the terrible hamas. this is about the occupied terrotiories, the expansion of such as netanyahu panders towards an ulta orthodox right wing voting base to do so, and the argument that jews don't want to run an open air prison that they control each border, who goes in and out, food,water, supplies including medicine, electrical as well and able to continually
    https://www.nrc.no/news/2021/may/11-children-killed/#.YKPH6Kw4dtJ.twitter

    Remember Netanyahu has barely slipped through elections, he doesn't have the full support. Many jews are able to want something better, both driven by their own compassion, perhaps any hostage scenerio you see you don't shoot and kill all the children teh guy is holding hostage and say but he was hiding behind them.

    "a Palestinian nurse/paramedic who was killed by the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) while volunteering as a medic during the 2018 Gaza border protests. She was fatally hit by a bullet shot by an Israeli soldier as she tried to help evacuate the wounded near Israel's border fence with Gaza.[2][3] The IDF first denied that she was targeted, while not ruling out that she may have been hit by indirect fire.[4] Israeli human rights group B'Tselem said that al-Najjar was shot intentionally.[5]

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    The IDF released footage in which she purportedly admitted to participating in the protests as a human shield at the request of Hamas.[6][7] The video was later found to be a clip from an interview with a Lebanese television station that had been edited by the IDF to take al-Najjar's comments out of context.[6] In the unedited video, she didn't mention Hamas and called herself a "rescuing human shield to protect and save the wounded at the front lines", with everything following "human shield" trimmed out of the Israeli clip. The IDF was widely criticized for tampering with the video in order to chip away at her image.[6][7]

    According to witness testimony, al-Najjar was shot after she and other medics, walking with their hands up and wearing white vests, approached the border fence in order to treat a wounded protester.[7]

    A UN investigation, the results of which were published late February 2019, concluded that Israel may have committed war crimes in its response to the Gaza protests, saying that dozens of children, two journalists and three paramedics, including al-Najjar, were killed by Israeli soldiers despite the fact that they were easily identifiable as such and did not pose any threat to the Israelis."
     
  3. DonatelloLimestone

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    the other argument, Remember Israeli PM Rabin, he believed the settlements would just have Israeli eventually viewed as an apartheid state and it would only harm israeli safety and outlook. He was assasinated by a right wing israeli extremist.
    So yes, of course israel has the right to defend themselves, of course hamas is a terrible actor not in the best benefit of the palestenians cause, but geopolitics is slightly more complicated and nuanced then that. what makes it even harder to keep track of, is the sophisticated media PR. Just like the Saudi PR playbook which somehow tried to paint MBS as a great reformer,

    Remember, even America sided wrongly in the South African apartheid and the same politicians talking love for Mandela had put him on an official terrorist list. Thats why we should be objective and think twice

    Like the iraq war. Not to mention majority of the 9/11 people were from Saudi that continues to fund and spread wahabism which causes us most of the issues, but at the time if you we're to question tthe iraq war you'd get a lot of what trump did for anyone who, dared critique him and make it about being loyal to a flag...not what the flag stands for, but basically this blind patriotistim that doesn't say america is great bc its for us by us, a democracy, but going back to don't question or you aren't patriotic. it was dangerous when trump did it, when bush did it, would be if biden did it or anyone else. Sadly now its considered normal to say the iraq war wasted trillions of dollars and so so many lives of the people who defend our country and senseless acts that probably will prepetuate more anti american cycles than anything before it.

    Interesting study that breaks down almost all the viewpoints in media across the board from msnbc, cnn, to Fox about how they almost always include a voice from one side of the government and talking points and representatives http://web.mit.edu/hjackson/www/The_NYT_Distorts_the_Palestinian_Struggle.pdf



    this is a short version on how narratives are painted. So in some ways you make good points, but the proof is in the details of perception and how that knowledge and narrative is spread.

    Likewise the idea that trump is some ultra capitalist, hes a me first typical politician who has veered towards socialism and centralized powers far far too much for anyone who is actually serious about our constitution and taking a less is more cautious approach that would be the opposite of socialism control. but people keep buying the reality show gimmicks
     
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    You go to hell for lying just like stealing...
     
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    They donated to Bernie Sanders, an actual socialist?!?

    LOL. Whoops!

    Property is listed on the Trump website:

    https://www.trump.com/residential-real-estate-portfolio/trump-towers-istanbul-turkey

    Selling out our allies in the middle east because President Erodgan wanted it..... too bad Kurds weren't Jewish....

    Bloomberg:The Kurds Have Paid Dearly for Trump’s Recklessness

    Military Times: Betrayal of the Kurds Is a Stain on American Honor

     
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  6. raining threes

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    You've got to resort with that for a reply?

    What am I lying about in that post?
     
  7. raining threes

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    I will watch the vidoes and think you made a great post.

    I'm for any candidate that provides secure borders, brings jobs back to America and keeps fuel costs as low as possible. I'm also for a POTUS that fully supports Israel in the ME.

    BTW, after the last election I stopped watching the news and probably wont start back until a couple of months before the mid-terms. It should be very interesting.
     
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  8. raining threes

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    No doubt mistakes have been made.

    I fully support Netanyahu. Jews that hope for better through reasoning are living in fantasy land. Iran, Hamas etc... their goal is to kill every Jew and the land , while important isn't the thing that most people who hate Jews really want. Extinction is what they really want. Never forget.
     
  9. DonatelloLimestone

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    I'm not even say go fully left into another way or reasoning, but even within netanyahu's ownn party and former cabinet running against him, there are others that consider the threats and safety to be the paramount issue yet don't come with ties of corruption, the weight of an adult son living in taxpayers care while he is on mike admitting his father helped his friends dad on a billlion contract and thus should pay for his prostitute? They've shown a callous attitude with the integrity of resources of the israeli tax payers, you can say that its the way the game is played and all the pols do it, but if thats the only defense is it really a defense?

    Why not adapt leadership that hasn't shown a sociopath self serving history,there are others that are still aggressive and in line with many of the policies without the baggage for more focused leadership
     
  10. raining threes

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    If I didn't know better I would've thought you were talking about Hunter Biden.
     
  11. DonatelloLimestone

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    Any one who abuses or disrespects the privilege and power and resources entrusted by citizens should be called out, including when its hunter biden, including when its ivanka or jared, and yes netanyahu, MBS, whoever. none of them should be bigger than than integrity of public trust
     
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    Biden Brings Receipts, Calls Out Republicans Taking Credit for
    the COVID Relief Plan They Voted Against




    Biden, who is currently in Cleveland, literally brought receipts to call out Republican politicians. The president held up a list of Republicans and said,

    “My Republican friends in Congress — not a single one of them voted for the rescue plan.
    I’m not going to embarrass any one of them, but I have here a list about how back in their districts, they’re bragging about the rescue plan.” Biden, who was speaking at Cuyahoga Community College, continued: “I mean, some people have no shame, but I’m happy they know that it benefitted their constituents,” he said as the crowd laughed and applauded. He added, “If you’re going to try to take credit for what you’ve done, don’t get in the way of what we still need to do.”



     
  13. Os Trigonum

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    "Republicans might be right this time about inflation":

    https://theweek.com/politics/1000853/republicans-economic-message-inflation

    Republicans might be right this time about inflation
    They're trying to rain on Biden's parade. That doesn't mean their concerns aren't legitimate.

    JAMES PETHOKOUKIS
    MAY 28, 2021

    President Trump predicted a Biden presidency would crash the stock market and causea depression. So far, however, so good. Like, really good.

    With the economy reopening and stimulus cash flowing, the economy grew at a rapid 6.4 percent annual rate in the first quarter (adjusted for inflation), and Wall Street's biggest banks are predicting overall growth this year and next will be the strongest since the mid-1980s. What's more, the stock market is up 12 percent since the start of the year. And while history suggests Democrats will likely lose control of Congress in 2022, the prospect of a historically white-hot economy and plunging unemployment gives them a decent reason to hope for an upset.

    All of which means Republicans have been looking for a counterargument that undercuts confidence in the emerging Biden Boom. And they hope they've found one. GOP House members are being urged to warn voters that the recent inflation surge is due to the Biden agenda. In a memo to his colleagues, Rep. Jim Banks, who leads the Republican Study Committee, says, "There's no doubt inflation is tied to the reckless spending bills Democrats have pushed for during the last year. Increasing the money supply to fund things like stimulus cash and generous unemployment benefits will always devalue our currency, which means your dollar won't go as far." To pass even more new spending would be "reckless'' and "downright insane."

    This is not the first time Republicans have turned to alarmist messaging after a big economic shock. Back in 2009, they warned that the Obama stimulus package and other spending increases, along with the Federal Reserve's aggressive and novel efforts to stem the global financial crisis, would lead to economic catastrophe: a debt crisis, higher inflation, rising interest rates, a collapsing dollar — or some combination of all of the above. "This is not just a road to stagnation, it is a road to stagflation," said Rep. Paul Ryan at the time. "Such heavy borrowing runs the risk down the line of rampant inflation, which scares away foreign capital while making the purchasing power of the dollar weaker for American consumers," said then-House Minority Whip Eric Cantor.

    Instead, what happened was the longest economic expansion in U.S. history. And while its lack of sizzle initially concerned many economists, slow-but-steady progress eventually led to a tight labor market that brought real wage gains to all income groups. Democrats point to those failed GOP predictions as a reason the public should ignore them this time around — and to question their sincerity. It certainly doesn't help the GOP argument that the party passed a big deficit-financed tax cut in 2017, and that President Trump had no interest in serious deficit reduction while also pushing the Federal Reserve for even deeper interest rate cuts.

    Still, the GOP inflation message might work. Prices are rising, after all. The consumer price index grew at a 4.2 percent annual rate in April, the fastest in more than a decade. Inflation expectations are also rising rapidly, with the University of Michigan's household measure for long-term expectations surging to its highest level since March 2011. And it's not just Republicans and consevative economists warning about inflation. As that GOP memo points out, Lawrence Summers, a top economic adviser to Obama and Treasury secretary under President Clinton, warned in February that Biden's $1.9 trillion so-called COVID-19 relief plan could "set off inflationary pressures of a kind we have not seen in a generation, with consequences for the value of the dollar and financial stability."

    That Summers quote, besides being included as a bit of troll, suggests a deeper message: Whatever the current impact on prices, the Biden agenda is an unsustainable endeavor and a risky scheme that tempts another financial crisis. While many Americans may not remember the Great Inflation of the 1970s, they sure remember the banking and housing collapse of 2007 through 2009. That said, a sustained rise in inflation probably would begin with what seems like a bunch of quirky, one-off price increases that eventually changed the inflation expectations of consumers, business, and investors. We don't know yet if that is going to happen, but we shouldn't dismiss the possibility. And if such a scenario should happen, it could cause the Federal Reserve to act in a way that might cut short the post-pandemic expansion.

    Even if the GOP message falls flat with voters and strikes Democrats as a bad-faith argument, its concerns should be taken seriously by policymakers. As hard as it is for many on the left to believe, something isn't wrong just because the GOP says it's right.

     
  14. NewRoxFan

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    Taken credit for the good things they opposed must be a new republican strategy...

     
  15. fchowd0311

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    So why was the fed still lowering interest rates for the past 2 years. GOP administration had control of who they could apoint as fed chair right?

    "Historical Inflation Rates: 1914-2021 | US Inflation Calculator" https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

    Also, this country hasn't seen as sustained average inflation rate over 4% over a course of a year for like 3 decades. The country honestly has been so used to 1-2% inflation rates and have been accustomed to that rate being normal when it really isn't and is actually really low.

    We currently have a one month blip of 4%. That really is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
     
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    once again, OT is cutting n pasting intellectually dishonest article by a half-assed author, and presenting it as gospel


    the half-assed author would have the world to believe that we didn't have a pandemic leading to economic shutdown/slowdown since Feb 2020.

    thanks to Biden's effective handling of the pandemic, curbing the spread of COVID,
    the US economy is heading towards re-opening / recovery, which increases demand for goods and services, which increases prices

    Fed Chairman Powell has assured Congress that the current inflationary pressure is transitory.

    yield on the US 10-yr treasury is a proxy for real inflation.
    it has been hovering around 1.5 - 1.7 % range.
    as a point of reference, it was above 2% during the first 2 yr of the Trump admin

    the half-assed author conveniently to omit this
    recent estimates by BoA and Morgan Stanley suggest that, w re-opening, US's GDP could grow above 6% in 2021.
    which could be higher than China's GDP growth, the first time since 1976​
     
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    The Fed's purpose is to operate independent of Congress. We know Trump appointed Powell but it's not like a he took a blood oath to be 100% loyal to him and his agenda.
     
  19. fchowd0311

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    Yes of course. But Trump wanted Powell to lower fed interest rates even more than they already were doing.

    My point is that the GOP condemning this minor one month uptick in inflation is in bad faith because they were doing everything in their power during the Trump adminstration to grow gdp at all costs that would risk inflation also. Neither side cares about inflation and many economists also don't because of the past 3 decade trend of really low inflation numbers. This 4% one month tick is nothing compared to what Americans routinely experienced with inflation in the 80s and early 90s.
     
  20. jiggyfly

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    How the hell is Trump not a globalist but Bush is.

    You just really not that smart are you.

    Do you not know that a large part of his income comes from foreign entanglements and licensing to foreign entities?

    Don't you know most of loans have come from a foreign bank?
     

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