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Job Creation Under Biden's Watch

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, Mar 5, 2021.

  1. SamFisher

    SamFisher Contributing Member

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    Yup - This is the best recovery we've ever had - mostly due to proactive fiscal.

     
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    So anyone who wants a job can find one but somehow that’s a bad thing because….Biden?
     
  3. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    This might be the best employment environment ever, and Biden can't capitalize. I think Trump was better at messaging.
     
  4. adoo

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    you mean lying !
     
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  5. SamFisher

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    Messaging what exactly? Which messaging strategies should Biden look to emulate?
     
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    Something better..... Obama and Trump were both great communicators/marketers, albeit in very different ways. Biden doesn't need to be a sleezy used car salesman like Trump, but he's really allowing the GOP's messaging to be more impactful.

    He needs to explain why he is continuing some many
     
  7. Invisible Fan

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    They're pissed Biden gave checks to the poor and needy. Even the ones who cashed theirs in.

    Sounds like a joke, except voters split their ticket with him to avoid a Socialist Takeover, and this fits the bill or slippery slope narrative with him
     
  8. Air Langhi

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    Twitter, Facebook, instagram, snapchat, tiktok, cnn. I don't know there are a lot of ways.
     
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    This article highlights the obvious benefits to workers if such a bill were to pass. What are the negatives to workers and to employers?

    https://thehill.com/changing-americ...ers-lining-up-behind-bill-to-bring-4-day-work
     
  10. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    You forgot "white guy wearing a baseball hat in a pickup truck ranting on youtube".
     
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  11. CCorn

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    They’re socialist jobs
     
  12. Major

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    The primary negative for employers would be those that can't adjust for productivity. For example, restaurants would either need to hire more people doing less work each (more training costs, more turnover, more health care costs, etc) or pay overtime to keep their current employees at 40 hours. In a low-umemployment environment, adding more staff while cutting each person's hours is not ideal.

    For employees, the same is sort of true on the flipside. Hourly workers could see their hours cut from 40 to 32, meaning if they want to maintain their current income, they have to juggle a 2nd job around their first job's schedule.

    That's not to say it would be a bad thing in the long haul, but the adjustment period would be messy and there would be a lot of losers both on the employer and employee side.
     
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  13. NewRoxFan

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    Just pointing out those aren't strategies but rather a list of social media and a news site. Unless you mean he should use social media as a strategy... after which it could be pointed out he does communicate through twitter accounts (presidential, White House, press secretary). I don't use facebook, instagram, snapchat and other social media so I can't say if he uses those.

    I think where Biden could improve upon is using TV interviews, town halls, and public appearances. I don't believe there is much of an expectation that he will run again in 2024 however and perhaps his people see those as campaign functions.
     
  14. dobro1229

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    Trump didn’t message well. He just benefited from reputation by dumb people who watched the Apprentice and heard his name in rap songs for years and so they just assumed he was a master mind of business.

    But as president saying he was some amazing messenger is being far too kind. Remember “infrastructure week?” At his age all he can message is his daily grievances.
     
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    All the racism and sexual assaults would have torpedoed any other candidate, but he got elected somehow.
     
  17. Nook

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    What are the negatives? Employers are only getting 32 hours and not 40 hours..... that the research is not clear, there is no study that takes into account the US culture, economy of size. Even the existing studies are relatively small and something that works in Iceland doesn't mean it will work elsewhere. It is a radical change with potential long term consequences........ of course labor unions support it.

    I personally think that we are headed in that direction eventually but it isn't a dead bang obvious answer as some proponents seem to think it is.
     
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    Yeah... I don't need a reminder of that lol. He won because half of America felt left behind in our society, and culture. "It's the culture wars stupid" is kind of the new "it's the economy stupid."

    Since Obama people have been single issue minded, and policy matters very little in comparison to identity & racial grievances. Trump in 2016 won because he represented identity and grievances. He was a proverbial bomb that white america could throw into DC to let them know they still matter. On the campaign trail he did show some discipline ONLY in 2016 when he stole some of Bernies policy positions (which of course he was lying) in order to try and divide the Democratic voters, but he showed NONE of this skill in discipline after becoming president, and failed massively in 2020 to stay on any type of messaging like this.

    Even at his best in 2016, that doesn't necessarily mean he's any more skilled at messaging than Biden is at any point. Biden also knows how to make catch phrases (see "Build Back Better" etc.). Any politician can make hokey catch phrases. Hell.... Trump's #1 "Message" wasn't even his... he stole it from Reagan, or one of his advisors stole it. Having the discipline to say "its a hoax" 1000X's a day isn't a messaging/marketing skill. Having the awareness to try and divide and conquer too isn't some great skill. Bernie and Hillary created that superhighway for Trump to drive a truck through.

    Why Trump's "Message" and the messaging of the GOP in general is more effective is because they have a robust propaganda networked put on steroids by Facebook, and other broken forms of social media that amplify their message, and offer disinformation. I would go as far to say that those who actually the most highly of Trump actually didn't hear him personally speak, didn't see his Twitter feed, and didn't get his blabbering campaign emails.... they got their interpretation of Trump through:

    -FoxNews
    -700 club
    -Facebook
    -etc. etc.

    Trump is only effective as a messenger when he has channels cleaning up, and delivering a message to the voters of his that matter. My mom didn't even have Twitter. Never once tuned into one of his press conferences. Never went to a rally.... but.... she did have Facebook, watched the 700 club where they talked about how great he was for Christianity in America, and she went to Church 3 times a week where her circle of friends all talked themselves into thinking this was the morally right thing for them all to do.
     
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    Because he was the republican nominee. And republicans simply vote for the republican. The bigger question is how was he even nominated.
     
  20. Rileydog

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    You are totally right about culture wars, but trump was exceptionally good at exploiting that angle. He was louder, more present, more brash, more frequent, more everything, and they loved him for it. He recognized he could push boundaries and destroy norms and actually benefit from it by energizing his base, turnout, money, etc. Non stop campaigning throughout his presidency.

    He broke all norms. I think Biden needs to adopt some of this and be more visible, so that he can better hammer messaging, dictate narrative, get people more excited, strengthen the base. Biden doesn’t have the personality for it, but he could turn the dial a bit. He could emphasize the theme he is a bridge to the future, and trot out Harris (if she’s still viable), Buttigieg, and whoever else are the stars. Hell could he broker a deal with AOC to get her more shine in exchange for her dialing it down? She and Buttigieg have that natural charisma, love them or hate them, that the Dems need so badly to energize the base like the MAGA.
     

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