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Joakim Noah Suspended.... By his own teammates.

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  1. moestavern19

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    Noah given a peer penalty

    Bulls vote to sit rookie extra game after tirade

    By K.C. Johnson | Tribune staff reporter
    January 14, 2008

    ATLANTA - In a stunning move, Bulls players voted to increase Joakim Noah's discipline for verbally abusing assistant coach Ron Adams at Friday's morning shootaround in Philadelphia, forcing the rookie to miss Sunday's 105-84 loss to the Hawks.

    Several Bulls, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the vote was unanimous.

    A shellshocked Noah, who, according to sources, snapped when Adams kept riding him for forgetting plays, paused several times to compose himself while discussing his teammates' decision to urge coaches to sit him for one more game.

    "I mean, I've just got to accept it," said Noah, 22. "What do you want me to say? I'm a rookie. ... I mean, it is what it is. I've just got to move on, and there's nothing I can do about it. So ..."

    On Friday in Philadelphia, interim coach Jim Boylan said Noah's punishment would last only one game. Noah said his teammates' decision to lengthen the penalty wouldn't affect his relationship with them, but he talked around whether he agreed with it.

    "Ask the players who made the decision," Noah said after sitting behind the Bulls' bench in street clothes for the second straight game. "Do I agree with it? That doesn't matter or make a difference. I respect my teammates and respect their opinions and stuff like that. They told me what I did was unacceptable. I just have to deal with it and move on."

    Veterans Adrian Griffin and Ben Wallace called for the vote, which took place after Saturday's practice at Georgia Tech. Several players said Griffin, a quiet leader who served as a Bulls captain in the 2004-05 season, was particularly unhappy over the incident.

    "We have a chance to salvage this season and we just need everybody on page," Griffin said. "We believe he's on page with us. It's one of those things that I believe will bring us closer. We just have to move on.

    "Everybody on this team knows what Joakim can do. The players are supportive of each other and supportive of Joakim. We look forward to getting him back on the court."

    Wallace has had several high-profile run-ins with coaches, including refusing to re-enter a game for Flip Saunders with the Pistons and last season's defiance of the Bulls' rule banning headbands. Yet Wallace said Noah's transgression crossed the line and demanded teammates' action because it became personal.

    "I understand frustrations with coaches," Wallace said. "But you can never take it to that level where you overstep the coach-player relationship and talk to a grown man like that. I might not like you as a coach, but I have to respect you as a man.

    "We have to be responsible for each other. We're together all the time. We feel we're becoming a close-knit group and a family-type atmosphere. It's up to us to hold everybody accountable for his own actions."

    Noah's actions include habitual tardiness, for which he has been fined. Boylan acknowledged that the players' decision addressed a host of transgressions.

    "This has been building during the course of the season because Joe has had some situations where he's been late or not doing what the Chicago Bulls do," Boylan said. "I think the cumulative aspect of this is definitely part of the reasoning for the players doing what they did.

    "Joakim is a great kid. He really is. He's got a good heart and wants to help his team. He just needs to realize that this isn't college anymore. He needs to follow the rules that are set down for everyone.

    "I think the veteran players, by doing what they've done, are going to help him see that. He'll make the proper adjustments because in his heart he wants to help the team. This is a good lesson for him."

    When general manager John Paxson drafted Noah out of Florida in June, Paxson talked about Noah's gregarious nature and over-the-top personality injecting life into a serious, often staid team. Paxson even predicted Noah occasionally would cross the line with outlandish comments.

    Earlier this season, former coach Scott Skiles said the rookie should "keep his mouth shut" on team matters. Skiles was joking, but the incident clearly affected Noah.

    The question is whether Noah's third public admonishment will affect that personality.

    "I don't think he's going to lose his personality," Boylan said. "In the moment, he's a little more subdued, his emotions are a little raw. I had a discussion with him about it and said if I was in his position, I would feel that way also.

    "This isn't college anymore. It's the NBA, it's pro sports. You're dealing with more mature, older people. It's an adjustment period for him. The team has sent a message to him, and I think he's smart enough to know what he needs to do without losing the part of what we like about him, and that's his zest for life and his enthusiasm."

    Adams declined to comment. It didn't matter. The players spoke volumes for him.

    "We appreciate the way Joakim has handled it," Wallace said. "He's said he would sit out and learn from his mistakes. That's all we ask of him, just learn from what he did and know it wasn't right. He's going to bounce back because we need him out there on the floor."

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    Pretty hilarious if you ask me. This guy has annoyed me ever since I first saw him screaming and pumping his fists at every little thing while at Florida.
    He should be suspended for another game for having the worst jump shot ever, and for not shaving.
     
  2. Achilleus

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    I hate him as much as I hate the Jazz, and I hate the Jazz. He's always so pompous, he needs to grow some balls and realize he's not in college and he isn't that good anymore.
     
  4. Apollo Creed

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    Wow, good for Big Ben and the baby bulls. The players may have tuned Skiles out, but that team needs a disciplinarian.
     
  5. ClutchCityReturns

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    This shows you his maturity level. All he needed to say was "What I did was unacceptable and I respect the decision of my teammates. They're just trying to make me a better player and a better person and I understand that."

    It's not that hard...for a mature person.
     
  6. moestavern19

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    person.

    I'd say by the looks of him he's at least part pack-rat.
     
  7. Mr. Clutch

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    He sounds like a loser. How can you get uspet at constructive criticism at the NBA level?
     
  8. StupidMoniker

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    I'd love to help the Bulls with their chemistry problems. It will be tough to see him go, but I am willing to give up Francis for Noah straight up. ;)
     
  9. Hobbs

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    Ben Wallace telling anyone how to act towards a coach is Grade A Prime comedy.
     
  10. Apollo Creed

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    Never been a big fan of Wallace, but his big thing is that he wants to be treated with respect, like an adult.

    That's why he had run ins with people like Skiles, authoritarian types, who like to treat their players like children to be scolded.

    On top of that, you don't come in as a rookie and get in the face of one of your coaches. Even Big Ben knows that.

    I think we'll see Wallace's role as a mentor expand a little bit more now that Skiles is out of the picture.
     
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    I never thought he would be a very good NBA player because he doesn't have the mentality for it. Maybe knowing that his teammates are ticked off at him to that extent will help Noah grow up and get his act together. People who are totally clueless about how they come across to others usually aren't very successful.

    This two years in a row where the Bulls drafted a complete flake in the lottery.
     
  12. JD2010

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    Joakim Noah has always been known for trying to act "hard".
    he needs to shut his "my daddy was a pro french player" ass up.
     
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    french tennis player*
     
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    We should start treating rookies around here like that.
     
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    If the Bulls don't want him... Daryl Morey should see what it would take to get him.
     
  16. moestavern19

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    No thanks. I don't want that spoiled rat anywhere near our fragile chemistry.
     
  17. v3.0

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    But ignoring a coach telling you to go into a game is a-ok...which Ben did to Flip Saunders.

    I always had a feeling Ben overrated himself sometimes.
     
  18. Hayesfan

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    Dear god.. don't even joke about that.

    I can hear the chants even now.. "Over rated" "Over rated"
     
  19. Fuse

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    Hated him in college and still hate him today. He was always a very limited player with an ego much larger than his set of abilities. I thought he wasted his chance of going higher in the 2006 draft when the Gators had their first championship run. In fact, the only player I liked from that group was Corey Brewer, but the poor guy is trapped in Minnesota for the next few years.
     
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    Wallace had his run ins with Skiles, Carlisle, Brown, and Saunders. He threw them all under the bus whenever they didn't do exactly what he wanted.
     

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