wow...Boki played more minutes then Baron Davis tonight. Talk about making up for lost playing time and finally getting an opportunity.
Can a one-for-one trade happen (be forced to happen by JJ's agent) to get JJ out of The Big Easy so that everyone can just move on with life?
codell, I'm usually with you on your posts. But this time I think you are off. As many posters already pointed out, counting win-loss proves nothing because the Hornets don't win with Wesley or without, with Boki or without. The Rockets probably would have won tonight anyway with or without Wesley, with or without Boki. Comparing their stats are more meaningful in term of judging their performances. Maybe you are too zealous defending JVG?
I don't know, Wesley's D was great tonight. Remember last night when other team is shooting 60% from outside? I saw no less than 5 times where Wesley made his men stop the dribble and pass the ball.
an injustice done to JJ I know the nba is a business and trades are just a natural part of the nba, but seriously, was there any need to get rid of JJ? First of all, D-Wes is not even a point guard, he's a pure shooting guard, and the sad part is that he is very very rusty as of late. On top of that, we pretty much have the shooting guard spot covered --hello?? T-Mac???-- and what we needed to worry about was the depth of our forward spots. Jon Berry, in my opinion was a great addition. He brings a lot of energy to the team, as well as some outside shooting. JJ's been traded and traded numerous times around the league (some 10 or 11 teams?) and I felt that he found a permanent home in Houston. Personally, I'd be pissed if i were JJ. Working so hard, dealing with switching homes over and over again, in hopes of finding a championship caliber team. All of sudden, he's traded to the New Orleans Hornets. I understand why he's not showing up to practice. This trade was just a terrible, terrible move. It did not benefit either team one bit. Anyone disagree?
That will always be up for debate and subject to information we aren't privy to (like what occurs in practice, in the locker room, etc.). Minutes wise, Boki had around 50 games or so with 10+ minutes under JVG. Was it enough to make his mark as a rotation player? Maybe, maybe no, but someone else made a great point. In those games, I can't remember Boki doing something memorable in any of them, other than the Karl Malone game.
I definitely agree, although I place slightly more emphasis on on the court contributions rather than on the surgery table contributions. Don't you?
Thats subject to debate. Im not defending JVG, as much as I am defending Wesley himself. I just find it odd that so many are determined to judge him by his stats rather than by what he brings chemistry wise, and whether his intangibles help this team win (or lose). IMO, thats the criteria this trade has to be judged by and IMO, chemistry is why this trade was made. I believe in TEAM wins and when they do win, every player that plays and does anything well, helps. Just like when a team loses, every player that plays and does anything bad, hurts. Overall, I find it funny that snowmt some how hyped up a 30 min, 7 point, 7 reb, 33% FG shooting, 25% 3PT shooting performance and "damn JVG" in the process like NO clearly has some immediate advantage on this trade while someone else said because Wesley had 4 fouls and shot 1-5 that he didn't contribute to this win (which he did, no matter how small his contribution was). The point is, if one is going to judge this trade on head to head performance, stat wise, then so be it. Ill judge it by what Wesley brings to the court and how he helps us win, or hurts us when we lose. I also find it funny that some are clearly rooting against Wesley to succeed here, if only to justify their armchair GM status, and further their hate for JVG.
I have no problem with Wesley. I think he will help. If the purpose of comparing Wesley's performance and Boki's is to judge whether the trade was good, then we should look at both players' stats with the same team, not with different teams. Boki's Hornets stats line (albeit only one game) looks very comparable to Wesley's performance with New Orleans. But comparing Wesley with Boki is not a valid judgment of the trade because the trade is not about Wesley vs. Boki. It's Wesley vs. JJ AND Boki. Contract considerations aside, I think Wesley and JJ are a wash talentwise. A straight up swap would have been a fair deal. Throwing in Boki doesn't make sense unless JVG/CD think Boki is a negative asset and really want to get rid of him, which is what Clutch claims in his article. People point out Boki's performance with the Hornets because it shows that he is NOT a negative asset. And I agree that throwing him away like that is not a smart move.
And again, Ill stand by the chemistry argument and that the stats prove nothing. If Clutch's source is right, and JVG wanted to get rid of Boki at all costs (something I still have a hard time believing, but Ill give Clutch and his source the benefit of my doubt), then one can naturally suspect that Boki was some sort of locker room problem/complainer/cancer/rager. If thats the case, then throwing him away was absolutely the right thing to do, especially since his trade value, I am assuming, was next to nothing (or that of a throw-in, which he was).
Boki was not a locker room cancer, he just wanted minutes. The team showed very little loyalty to him over the past year & it was time for all sides to move on. Good luck Boki, the Big Easy Killer BBBBBBBBBBBBBB along with B Diddy Baron Davis!
The Rockets as a team have performed pretty damn bad this year with or with out Boki so I don't know what your point was.
How can you say they clearly aren't? If Jackson does not report and retires then N.O. clears cap room. In return they get a young player that could be a big part of a contending team at some point.Wesley was not going to be around when or if N.O. ever turns into a contender. Houston gave up cap room for a player that will never help us win a title plus a young player that has talent which is something this team clearly lacks. Jackson was just as good as Wesley and cutting Boki was better than taking on additional salery.
Ummm... If Jackson retires then the Rockets absolutely raped NO in this deal. This is like saying a Boki for Wesley staright up trade is fair for NO. No matter how much you hate Wesley and love Boki, nobody in their right mind would believe that straight up trade is fair.
Crash, I hear ya. But at least the silver lining in the deal is that next season will be Wesley's last. Wesley+Spoon's contracts = $11.4M expiring after next season. Those COULD be assets to this team IF we are smart enough to parlay them into a decent player(s) which under this regime remains to be seen. But at least we will be in a position to do something there.
What the hornets did after JJ didn't report to the team is very telling. They said that it wouldn't have any effects on the trade being finalized. This tells you how much they thought of boki and how much they don't care about JJ. This trade was about cutting salary for the team and to bring in a young player that was never given the oppurtunity to shine. If they didn't care about boki, then they wouldn't of gone through with the trade once they found out that JJ wasn't reporting.
In 4+ years Boki will still be in the NBA whereas Wesley will not, how did New Orleans get raped again? Don't they now have Boki's rights? DD
Why do people post percentages for such a low sample of data? I never understood why people thought that by posting it, it would show how bad his shooting is. Boki only shot 6 shots!!! Its like pointing out if someone went 2-3 from the field and 1-1 from 3 in one game and saying damn, he's 66 % fom the field and 100% from 3. Yup he's a superstar from those stats. But its okay, i'll indulge you. Lets look at Wesley's stats shall we. 1-5 FG = 20 % FG shooting, 0-2 3PT shooting = 0 % . Yup, he really did contribute to last night's win against the all might cavs. SOooo if we used your process of logic then boki is a superstar and we got raped by the trade
