This trade makes sense if all the reports of injuries are true. I thought it was strange that Sura didn't score a point last Sunday, maybe the injury was affecting him. If Ward and Sura are out we are thin at the point, so bringing in Wesley makes sense. It will also gives more time for Barry at his natural SG position so if T-Mac can produce at the SF position then the lineup looks to be better to me after these two trades. I'm sorry for JJ, no player wants to go to a 2-25 team going nowhere, I wish him well in NO. Boki on the other hand should be ecstatic, he should get immediate playing time now and you Boki fans will find out if he is an NBA caliber player. From a strategic point of view, these trades are nothing more than bandaids. This management are still ostriches with their heads stuck in the sand, I look at what Miami and the Suns have done as the model of what the Rox should have done. Both those teams struck while the iron was hot and went out and acquired more players to contend now rather than later after their blockbuster trades.
I agree with you. I think JVG is the reason all of this is taking place, one way or another. Whether we're getting the types of players he wants, need to change the team/game to get people in the seats at games because of the ugly game he runs, or just because he wants to shake things up a little. Maybe it's a combination of everything. I think Wesley is above JJ when it comes to basketball IQ, and they're about the same everywhere else except for one minor thing......JJ is 6'6" to Wesley's 6'1"!! I think that height difference more than makes up for the 1 more turnover per game that JJ averages. I haven't looked at their rebounding difference, but I'm sure JJ has a very big edge in that. We're already a bad rebound team and like others have said we just got smaller. I actually like Wesley as a player and will welcome him to the team, but I don't see how this is an upgrade, especially since we already have so many people at his position. I thought JJ was a great role player and did his job (unlike many others), and could be counted on pretty much every night (remember our most consistent player last year?). Of course, last year is over and we're in the present. Since their stats are so similar I have to give the edge to JJ because of his height and our excess at the Guard positions. Like I said, I think Wesley is a much smarter player, and that is the only advantage I give him. Of course there is also the fact that Wesley is on the books for one more year than JJ. I thought JJ signed for a smaller amount than he could have got to come here, and now he's gone, I don't blame him for being upset about it. If you somehow figured in a persons productivity per dollar salary, I'm sure JJ would probably be number 1 on our team. I'm upset about the trade overall, but am happy about one part.....I'm glad Boki is going to be given a chance to play, I hope he proves us all wrong. Pugs
That would be my guess also...I don't know, but I can't help the feeling that CD must be an awful negotiator. Look at the deals he gave players such as Maloney, Norris, Brent Price, Taylor, Ward, etc. - I feel that the other side seems to know that they can take advantage of him. Perhaps he is too nice? One doesn't know. The only trade I can remember which he made where I feel that our side "won" the trade is the trade that brought us Francis. We lucked into getting Ming, really. The Mobley draft pick was a great one. The jury is still out on the T-Mac trade, but at least it was courageous. Other than that, I see a lot of what appear to be very questionable moves in hindsight. Oh, and to the guy who seems to have his head so far up CD's and one admin's behind that his judgment recently seems to be clouded...if not being a GM meant that you cannot comment on moves made by the GM, what's the point of even participating in a Game Action & Roster Moves discussion...
I would be surprised if he is still with the Hornets by then. There are teams out there that need a good, veteran SG/SF to fill out thier rosters, so I think JJ will end up somewhere else.
SJC, Did you have a bad Xmas? Usually you are full of winkies instead of roll eyes. I thought you enjoyed the day to day banter here in the GARM. Or maybe you would rather just dish it out. I never said you couldn't question CD's moves. You asked why we couldn't have gotten Brown. CD answered your question and I pointed out that maybe you just don't understand why, for example, Taylor doesn't equal Brown because you don't have the knowledge that an NBA GM does? But as long as you want to continue to believe that we couldn't have Brown because CD is a bad negotiator, then more power to you. It makes for an interesting discussion at the very least.
WTF David Wesley for our 3rd leading scorer Where's the trade for some frontcourt toughness? Trade some of our marshmallows away for some strength up there Ridiculous ... Bad trade
CD does not have the knowledge either but it does not keep him from holding down the position. this trade sucks.
I am pointing out that CD's track record in terms of the results of his negotiations seems to be an indication for this. Obviously, I don't know how these negotiations went, but somehow, it seems like we get the short end of the stick more often than others (with exceptions). If I look at Dallas' track record in trades (okay, they are also willing to spend a whole lot more), it just seems like they get better deals.
Not saying I'm exactly a proponent of this trade, but... Take into consideration how mush faster we've got at the guard spot. We might actually be able to run a fast break! In all the games I've watched, obviously Ward and Sura couldn't do it, Barrett showed flashes, but Wesley might get it done a few times a game for us on a consistant basis. Our TO per game, IMO, might go down by a few as well... Wesley is smaller by about a half foot, but can be just as deadly on the catch and shoot and can create his own shoot better than JJ most of the time, slashing ability, again this might go to Wesley due to his jitterbug style of play. Similiar contracts, career numbers, etc. add that Wesley's a year younger, whatever that's worth... Not a bad experiment, but sizing down a poor (at best) rebounding team raises eyebrows for sure though. Take into consideration 3 other things as well: 1. T-Mac may still play a lot at the 2. Perhaps JVG will use either Bowen or Padgett at the 3 sometimes while T-Mac's at the 2 with Wesley or Sura at the 1. Who knows, the lineup, after some trial and error, could look something like this: Yao, Dike JH, Mo Padgett, Bowen T-Mac, Barry Wesley, Sura, Barrett 2. WE MAY NOT BE DONE MAKING MOVES AND PROBABLY AREN'T! Let's see how this pans out (with actual games and our front office) over the course of a few weeks before starting our trade Yao/T-Mac next threads... 3. Win, lose or draw, gotta love that management refuses to just sit on the league's most underachieving team...
Don't look exclusively at their stats to compare them. You have to realize that NO has had absolutely nothing to work with this season. Baron just came back a couple games ago. Wesly was their premeir scorer w/ no Davis or Mashburn. Defenses were able to concenttrate almost exclusively on him. He will see A LOT more open shots w/ Rox. From what I've seen in his career, Wesley is a better shooter. Not sold 100 percent on the deal, though.
Did this fella forget what coach, what Gm, and owner, what team gave him one last shot when nobody else would? Did he forget the Houston Rockets handed out half a million dollars worth of paychecks to him so he and his family could go on living well? We're talking about at least half a million or more to play 10 or so minutes a night at 41 yrs old. After all JVG, CD, and Les did for that man last year they had to kick themselves after hearing that. and it'll find its way to their ears somehow.
That the Rockets treated Jim Jackson unfairly. I would not be surprised at all if Jim failed to report and this trade blew up. DD
