Can you provide info on this poll? If not I have severe doubts as to its validity. How large was the margin of error on the poll? Where were people polled? I voted for Perot in 1992 and nobody asked me. You can call people who support the Republican agends hacks and talk about rewriting history all you'd like if it makes you feel somehow superior. The fact remains...if you're going to quote scientific polls then you need to provide all the relevant info (sample size, locations of polling, breakdown of responses in key states, margin of error, etc). http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj18n1-7.pdf Here's an independent statistical analysis of the Perot vote by the Cato Institute. The conclusion is that the Perot vote helped the incumbent in both 1992 and 1996. So in 1992, the Perot vote actually helped Bush Sr. make the race closer. In 1996, the Perot vote helped Clinton.
I voted for Anderson, Perot (twice), and Nadar. In the llast 20 years, the only Dem or Rep Presendential candidates I would have voted for in the general election were Paul Tsongas and John McCain, but both failed to win their party's nomination. Your turn
lol, isn't this conversation more productive than the post hoc arguments people have constructed throughout this thread? I'm a {{member of a political party}} is time saving. It cuts out the bull****. yadda yadda yadda, who gives a flying squirrel. You have emotions that give rise to your beliefs. Don't make an idiot of yourself by posting incoherent streams of contradictory bs. Earlier MadMax tells River that he wasn't placing a value judgment on one lie or the other (Clinton vs Reagan), but then blames oaths' newfound meaninglessness upon Clinton. Learn some temporality MadMax, or admit your a partisan, ie: I'm a democrat. your turn.
Why would anyone classify himself as a "Democrat" or "Republican"? You're basically saying you believe in whatever is popular. What conviction.
Refman said: Refman these constant personal insults reflect poorly on you. Try not to get so frustrated. We could have had this lawsuit and even a proseution for minor perjury, which had nothing to do with "Clinton's conduct in office, after Clinton was out of office, as was the custom. However, they were primarily interested in overturning the election. It was they who apparently thought that ideololy was all that mattered. Fortunately the senate and the general population did not buy their attempted coup. BTW just because you and many others endlessly repeat stock conservative positions on issues, which is quite common in Houston, does not make you any less ideological than I am. You just mistakenly believe your positions 100% fact based or non ideological because your beliefs are currenty so common in Houston.
Well you can always qualify it TheFreak, ie for you: I'm not a conservative republican, but I just agree with them on everything. This air of objectivity makes me seem smaaaaaaart, jennay. your turn.
Nadar kicked ass - his revolutionary aerial photographs of Paris were great...not to mention his portraits of so many great talents! I wish I could have voted for him. Freak - all you do is do nothing...and you are a fine one to talk about conviction when you only like crappy hair band music because it is so popular and revered throughout the world. I'm a "none of the above." Your turn. PS - when do we get to break into teams and come up with new slogans and plays to crush the other?
rimbaud, I thought you would steer the conversation in a direction that could justify a link and give me something to search for.
I did, Mango...I set you up perfectly. You just have to look at my post better. I'll give you a hint - starts with an "N."
After all that I have seen from you, you have no room to talk sir. What a great idea...oh yeah...except for that pesky little statute of limitations which would have run by the time Clinton was out of office. Your proposed solution doesn't comport with the law. You're really going to compare that to an armed insurrection (aka a coup)? You tried to knock holes in my French anti-Semitism claim, so I gave you links (without a thank you I might add ). You brought up prosecution after the term ran out and I gave you statute of limitations as a reason it won't work. Oh you're right...pure spin and ideological rhetoric. The majority of Houston proper is Democrat. The outlying county is what brings up the Republican numbers. I happen to live inside the loop where it is prevalently Democrat. So your assertion simply isn't factual. But you'll probably claim that that was personal too.
rimbaud, That does not hold my interest. I prefer the work of President Adams. <A HREF="http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/adams/F03.jpg">Larger Version of the Picture</A>
Mango, Yawn...I am not talking aesthetics here, I am talking about giving birth to a new form. You start with the very first by Niepce: Then go to the man who really got the art aspect moving, Daguerre's more set daguerrotype: And then to Nadar's great progresses in aerial: To his portraist such as Delacroix: and Georges Sand: These were the pioneers and the only starting point for any discussion. See, now isn't this better than the crap that has led up to our discussion?
Refman, I used to go through the same <i>debates</i> with glynch. Clinton probably said it best: <b>I share your pain.</b> rimbaud, I am not as adventuresome as you and am satisfied with Adams. There may be others available that share your interest, but they are unlikely to look in this thread for that type of exchange. Why don't you start some art/photo threads and see if a lurker or two can be engaged?
Refman, we've had a thread about French anti-semitism awhile back. Unfortunately as you see an increase in racism and anti-arabism, to coin a word, in Israel and among some of their supporters in the US, you see a rise in negative attitudes toward Jews. It is hard at times to separate anti-semitism from a just reaction to the racism and colonialism under Sharon. Extremism breeds extremist reations. Further confusing things is that many Jewish organizations frequently allege anti-semiticm in order to silence critics whether in France or in the US. As the Arab anti-discrimination league has documented there has been a big rise in disrimination against Arabs in the US. Racism is not unique to France. Sharon tries to equate Jewishness with a support for his policies. This is a leading reason for the increase of negative feelings towards Jews around the world. With Israel and their supporters refusing to follow UN resolutions to settle the Palestinian question, which are supported by essentially the whole world except for Israel and the US, it can be hard at times for many to separate a dislike of Israel's expansionism from a dislike for Jews as a whole. I certainly deploy true anti-semiticism just as much as I deplore similar hateful acts and attitudes towards Muslims and Arabs. If you wish to do the one thing that will derease anti-semiticism the most you should urge Israel to stop trying to pemanently annex large parts of the West Bank and Gaza and create a truly independent Palestinian state asap.
glynch...France has had a history of anti-Semitism. This is nothing new or recent. There have been articles written about the resurgence of anti-Semitism in France. Many theories on the subject suggest that French anti-Semitism was quelled temporarily following WW2 since the Jews and the French had a common enemy. Within the last few years though this anti-Semitism has surfaced again. Many people do not know of the past France has had with anti-Semitism. I personally had no idea until I researched the issue once I had heard a brief newsbit a few months prior to marrying into a Jewish family. I'm not saying that anti-arab sentiments in the US are ok...but there are distinctions to be made. First off...there was never a group of Jews to fly planes into French office towers. Jewish terror cells never operated in France. The various Arab extremist groups did/are doing these things in the US. Also, I have not heard of firebombings of Mosques in the US...but it is happening at synagogues in Paris. Both are wrong...but there are aggravating facors at play in France. This is a ridiculous rationalization for abhorrent behavior. To use that to rationalize the brutality against another country's citizens of a certain faith is ludicrous. I'll repeat LUDICROUS!!! To use that against my in laws, for example, is like seeing something you don't like from the Mexican government and then using that to hate all Puerto Ricans. They are all Catholic, right? So it must be the same thing. I certainly hope you don't think that the actions of the Israeli government justifies what has transpired in France. I doubt you do...you don't seem like a base person. Ummmm...those lands were annexed a LONG time ago. They were taken in the war. That land is part of the state of Israel. You should know from other threads that I am not the biggest Sharon supporter out there. I detest a lot of the tactics of the government of Israel. But be fair...that land was won a long time ago and to have a Palestinian state, there must be NEGOTIATED peace...not just handing over the deed.
I submit that a even dead French photographer (Félix Nadar) would make a better president than either Bush Jr or Gore.
