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Jimmy Carter Bashes Bush

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Batman Jones, Sep 5, 2002.

  1. glynch

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    Apology to Baylor grads, students and fans.

    I know that Baylor is actually theologically a very moderate Baptist University, that has been under heavy fire from the Southern Baptist Convention for being moderate. I believe they were expelled or left the Convention because of this moderateness.

    I know that many students their party and do all the other peasurable things students do. Many people are Christian before they go there. Generally there is no mooney like conversion going on there.

    My niece graduated from there and her husband is from Waco and had a couple of sisters going there.

    I was reacting someone tongue in cheek to two or three posters who used to vote democratic when they started Baylor, but don't now. IT WAS VERY POOR TASTE TO POST THAT WAY WITHOUT MORE MODERATE LANGUANGE OR :) :) .
     
  2. BrianKagy

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    Actually, it affects his credibility. Or, at least, you think it does. The effect of you using the wrong word, ironically, affects your credibility.

    Whole lotta bolds in that sentence. Nomar should like that.

    You never did tell me, or I never read the response-- did you want to bet on GWB's position on raises for military personnel?
     
  3. No Worries

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    I mentioned Bush's moronic statement "The terrorists hate our love of freedom".
    Since when are love of freedom and democracy the same thing.

    Bin Laden may hate democracy, US culture, etc but what really p*sses him off are

    those Saudi bases

    followed in a not so close second

    the US support for Israel (which has been going on since 1948)

    Bin Laden appeared to tolerate the US support for Israel but not those d*mn Saudi bases. Certainly, the infidel bases pushed him into action.

    I hope your next post make more sense.
     
  4. Rocket River

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    Question [off topic] Why are Muslims made to take an oath with their hands on the Bible?

    On Topic. It was a non issue because it was predatorial prosecution. The man was doing a d*mn decent job and politicos tried to take him down by any means necessary . .

    like chris rocks said. . how sad is it that the only thing u can attack him on is his sex life. . .they were REALLY scraping the bottom of the barrel for that ****


    Rocket River
     
  5. BrianKagy

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    No, this is the only thing conservatives attack that liberals respond to.

    There's a long, long, long list of things Clinton can very easily be criticized for, but the list is always parsed down to his sex life by liberals, because that's the easiest thing to defend since it's "his business, not ours".
     
  6. No Worries

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    Bush show the lack of foresight and gratiously said "Read my lips. No new taxes." in order to gain votes in an election.
    Renigging on his campaign promise does show his strength of character was lacking. No doubt, the right wing of his party only gave his re-election luke warm support because of it. That, the downturn in the economy, and his "out of touch with reality" issues were the cornerstones for his failure to get re-elected.

    Voters' perspective of Bush's character (and thus substance) was negatively impacted by his broken campaign promise. The moderate swing vote may have been lost to Clinton over this.

    BTW, your assumption that I am a Democratic is incorrect. Try again.
     
  7. HayesStreet

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    "...admired almost universally as the preeminent champion of human rights..."

    If Tom Delay has said that instead of Carter:

    Glynch, Major, Batman, MacBeth/Jag (out there somewhere) and your brethren would have gone ape****. The sarcasm would be streaming out of your computers.

    Batman would have said it made him 'sick,' and Macbeth would claim to be 'ill.'

    Strange that you'd accept that premise since its meant as a backhand, but NEVER if its meant as a compliment.

    Spare us. Please.
     
  8. Refman

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    It was not an attack ad hominem or otherwise. You seem to simply regurgitate Dem spin, and I call you on it...if that makes me a nonresponsive insulter then so be it.

    http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo/france.html

    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/348474899?ts=1031343018&sign[partner_userID]=412227888&sign[memberID]=412227888&sign[partnerID]=1

    http://www.jewishpost.com/jp0807/jpn0807p.htm

    http://www.mesora.org/france/France.asp

    http://www.thestruggle.org/france.html

    http://www.adl.org/international/lfe/lfe_01_2002.asp

    Happy...or should I continue? :rolleyes:

    I know what you meant, but what you said was that Bush should be held accountable. He is holding himself accountable by going through Congress. I was responding directly to what you said...since you can't combat it you choose to play semantics.

    http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39631&highlight=posters

    My popularity and credibility on the BBS appear to be just fine. I appreciate your concern though.
     
  9. No Worries

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    Hmmm.

    It seems to me that Clinton's sexcapades drew about 10 times the media attention than his other foibles. This was not to the displeasure of the Congressional Republican leaders.
     
  10. MadMax

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    1. good question about the muslim thing...i've always wondered that too! i do think they will bring in a koran though, if requested..i think i've read that before

    2. predatorial prosecution??? it was brought by a private citizen who had more than a few witnesses to give credence to her claim...his sex life isn't what got him in trouble with Starr...it was lying under oath that got him impeached, not the fact he had an affair with a 21 year old intern. it was the lying under oath that got him impeached...it was the lying under oath that got him impeached...it was the lying under oath that got him impeached.
     
  11. MadMax

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    the man was left with no choice..it was that or face a government shutdown...and they would have blamed him for that, if he hadn't. so it was a catch-22.

    sorry about the suggestion you're a democrat...no offense meant! :)
     
  12. Refman

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    The moderate swing vote was lost to Perot...not Clinton.
     
  13. No Worries

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    I have not laughed so hard in a long time. Where do you get your material?

    Paula Jones had the financial backing of conservative groups. They funded her law suit in its entirity. The motivation of said groups was political. Ms. Jones even got a nose job out of it. I am only speculating but the nose job may have been funded to make Ms. Jones look to a jury like a person who could be sexually harassable. :)
     
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    Stop rewriting history.

    Perot took marginally more votes away from Clinton than he did for Bush. Perot's presence did not affect the outcome, just the political dialog.
     
  15. glynch

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    Kagy, let me say that you have always been very issue focused in your responses, even more than me. I guess that is why you are a moderator.

    Now as far as Bush and pay raises for the military. I don't know his current position. At times in the past you have had Republicans wanting great increases in the defense budget without corresponding increases in pay., veterans benefits. Republicans have actually preferred to layoff members of the military and replace them with expensive weapon systems.

    Bush may very well be for an increase in military pay, but can you tell me anyone, Democrat or Republican who is opposed to pay increases for the military, post 9/11? I do know that the Republicans like Delay fought against unions and decent pay for the security personnel at airports.
     
  16. rimbaud

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    I will attempt to save the day because I am so nice...

    1. Carter is a good man. He was not a very good president - although not as bad as some are making him out to be (Nomar - seriously, history has given us many many presidents who were worse than Carter). He is a great ex-president. This article was definitely filled with a good deal of empty political rhetoric.

    2. OBL has said since '91 that his major reason for hating the US was the "invasion" of S.A.

    3. Clinton lied under oath. He is not the first, nor will he be the last president to do so. Sad, isn't it?

    4. BK is right - there are plenty of other problems in Clinton's personal, business, and political history that can be and were attacked. Sex became the rallying point for "both" sides. Sex sells.

    5. Clinton and Reagan wer damn good politicians - mostly superficial. I personally think Clinton was superior because of his campaigning and the fact that Reagan was really gone starting in about '84...and Clinton was by far more creative in his lying.

    6. France is not anti-semitic. It (as well as most of continental Europe) has a disturbing trend of rising anti-semitism in its population, but it is still in the minority. The US probably has more anti-semites...but I have no idea which country is higher per capita. Also, being anti-Sharon does not automatically mean anti-semite.

    7. Lawyers are bad.

    8. Our nation's political culture is still sports-like. The focus is on beating the other team first.

    9. See 10

    10. Now there are 10

    Man, I am bored. You guys bring amusement into my life. My living droleries.
     
  17. Cohen

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    Actually, I think it was more of an issue of military leader with no target. It was time for obl to find a new target or fade away.
     
  18. MadMax

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    i don't know about the accuracy of anything you posted....i really question how nice you are...but I definitely agree with #7 above!!!!

    :p
     
  19. Timing

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    Thanks for pointing out the real cause of 9/11. I found Batman's statement about it largely being done because smaller countries hate us and don't appreciate our assertion of influence to be really friggin annoying particularly when Bin Laden is an exiled Saudi and most of the hijackers were Saudi.

    It is kind of ironic that Saddam is still in power now because we didn't act unilaterally in the Gulf War.
     
  20. MadMax

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    yeah...and those black helicopters took her to the hearings!! remember!!! :rolleyes:

    because her lawsuit was funded, does not mean the woman was not wronged...nor does it mean the 5 or so other women who came forward with information were not wronged in some way.

    again...really gets away from the whole bigger picture...dude lied under oath.

    keep thinking it's just about sex, though!
     

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