So what's your evidence against this? My statement was made based on observations, history of how star players were handled by Harden( CP3, Dwight Howard), that Jimmy Butler, Lebron James didn't want to come...that Rockets cannot attract any good free agents lately, the most important not many star players would like to embrace the role of spectator to see JH dribble for 20 sec....or his lack of movement at offence when ball is not in his hand.
So, your evidence against star players not wanting to play here involves the star players that ended up playing here, with Harden? Interesting.
Cp3 didnt want to leave. Dwight Howard was trash everywhere he left after Houston. And no matter what Lebron was going to LA. Jimmy Butler wanted his own team and wanted to be in Miami. It's not like Houston is this hot spot for Free Agency even before Harden.
Building on this, I thought it was almost universally acknowledged that young rich dudes would rather live in LA, Miami, or NYC. It's always an uphill battle for GMs in other cities. Sadly, the way the other non-glam cities seem to be set up for relative success moving forward is through stars they drafted, or players they've spent a lot of time developing. Which we don't seem to do.
It really sucks watching LA be the crappy organization that its turned into and they can still end up getting Lebron and AD because of LA.
Well, if it makes you feel any better the Warriors had an awful year, have the 2nd pick, will be healthy and even better next year. So they might just be back to winning championships again...
If we had Tyler Herro, would he be playing this great? Most would say he would have thrived here but I’m saying he would not have excelled under Harden’s wing like he has under Jimmy’s.
That play where Jimmy was posting up and hit him off of a beautiful cut...I don't think things like that could happen. They keep Herro moving in their offense, we don't have movement in our offense.
Spoiler MoReY wAsN't AlLoWeD tO TaNk MoReY nEvEr HaD a HiGh PiCk Shai Gilgeous-Alexander - 11th Myles Turner - 11th Domantas Sabonis - 11th Steven Adams - 12th Luke Kennard - 12th Devin Booker - 13th Donovan Mitchell - 13th Tyler Herro - 13th Zach LaVine - 13th TJ Warren - 14th Bam Adebayo - 14th Michael Porter Jr. - 14th Kawhi Leonard - 15th Giannis Antetokounmpo - 15th Kelly Oubre - 15th Nikola Vucevic - 16th Jusuf Nurkic - 16th Jrue Holiday - 17th Dennis Schroder - 17th JaVale McGee - 18th Tobias Harris - 19th John Collins - 19th Gary Harris - 19th Jeff Teague - 19th Caris LeVert - 20th Evan Fournier - 20th Jarrett Allen - 22nd OG Anunoby - 23rd Rudy Gobert - 27th Pascal Siakam - 27th Kyle Kuzma - 27th Bogdan Bogdanović - 27th Jimmy Butler - 30th Bojan Bogdanović - 31st Joe Harris - 33rd Hassan Whiteside - 33rd Devonte' Graham - 34th Draymond Green - 35th DeAndre Jordan - 35th Malcolm Brogdon - 36th Spencer Dinwiddie - 38th Khris Middleton - 39th Jerami Grant - 39th Josh Richardson - 40th Will Barton - 40th Nikola Jokic - 41st Eric Paschall - 41st Davis Bertans - 42nd Bol Bol - 44th (only because Tinman loves him some Bol Bol) Goran Dragic - 45th Lou Williams - 45th Dillon Brooks - 45th Norman Powell - 46th Jordan Clarkson - 46th Danny Green - 46th Paul Millsap - 47th Shake Milton - 54th Kendrick Nunn - Undrafted Duncan Robinson - Undrafted Fred VanVleet - Undrafted Daniel Theis - Undrafted Luguentz Dort - Undrafted Joe Ingles - Undrafted Alex Caruso - Undrafted Aron Baynes - Undrafted Christian Wood - Undrafted Seth Curry - Undrafted Talent to be had all over the draft. Instead, you get busty Royce White & Terrence Jones.
Spoiler Rockets last had a (1st round) draft pick 5 years ago. https://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.ph...layer-development.299026/page-2#post-12795719 2010: Patrick Patterson (Traded 3 years later) 2011: Marcus Morris (Traded 2 years later) 2011: Donatas Motiejunas (Out of the league) 2012: Jeremy Lamb (Traded for Harden) 2012: Royce White (BUST) 2012: Terrence Jones (Out of the league) 2013: Traded for Harden 2013: Traded in 2010 for Terrence Williams 2013: Traded in 2011 to Minnesota (DMo draft night trade) 2014: Traded for Harden 2014: Clint Capela 2015: Sam Dekker (Traded for Chris Paul) 2015: Traded to Los Angeles to dump Jeremy Lin 2016: Traded for Ty Lawson 2017: Traded for Lou Williams 2018: Traded for Chris Paul 2019: Traded for Iman Shumpert 2020: Traded for Robert Covington 2010 1-14: Patrick Patterson (Patterson was traded 3 years later with Cole Aldrich, Toney Douglas & cash to Sacramento for Francisco Garcia, Tyler Honeycutt & Thomas Robinson) 2-45: Traded to Minnesota in 2008 with Kirk Snyder & cash to Minnesota for Gerald Green 2011 1-14: Marcus Morris (Morris was traded 2 years later to Phoenix for a 2013 2nd round pick(Isaiah Canaan). 1-23: Nikola Mirotic (Houston traded Brad Miller, the 23rd pick(Nikola Mirotic), the 38th pick(Chandler Parsons) & a future 1st round pick to Minnesota for Jonny Flynn, the 20th pick(Donatas Motiejunas) & 2012 2nd round pick.; Rockets acquired the 38th pick(Chandler Parsons) from Minnesota for cash considerations) 2-38: Chandler Parsons (Parsons was allowed to walk (Dallas) as a restricted free agent) 2012 1-12: Jeremy Lamb (Lamb was traded 4 months later with Kevin Martin, 2013 1st round pick(Steven Adams), 2013 2nd round pick(Alex Abrines) & 2014 1st round pick(Mitch McGary) to Oklahoma City for James Harden, Cole Aldrich, Daequan Cook & Lazar Hayward) 1-16: Royce White (White was traded 1 year later to Philadelphia with Furkan Aldemir & cash for a 2014 Top 55 protected 2nd round pick they did not receive) 1-18: Terrence Jones (Jones was allowed to walk (New Orleans) as a free agent) 2-40: Traded to Portland in 2012 with Jonny Flynn & Hasheem Thabeet for Marcus Camby 2-44: Traded to Detroit in 2009 with cash considerations for the draft rights to Chase Budinger 2013 1-12: Traded to Oklahoma City in 2012 with Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb, 2013 2nd round pick(Alex Abrines) & 2014 1st round pick(Mitch McGary) for James Harden, Cole Aldrich, Daequan Cook & Lazar Hayward 1-18: Traded to Brooklyn in 2010 for Terrence Williams 1-26: Traded to Minnesota in 2011 with Brad Miller, a 2011 1st round pick(Nikola Mirotic) & a 2011 2nd round pick(Chandler Parsons) for Jonny Flynn, 2011 1st round pick(Donatas Motiejunas) & 2012 2nd round pick 2-32: Traded to Oklahoma City in 2012 with Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb, 2013 1st round pick(Steven Adams) & 2014 1st round pick(Mitch McGary) for James Harden, Cole Aldrich, Daequan Cook & Lazar Hayward 2-34: Isaiah Canaan (Canaan was traded 2 years later with a 2015 2nd round pick(Richaun Holmes) to Philadelphia for K.J. McDaniels. 2014 1-21: Traded to Oklahoma City in 2012 with Kevin Martin, a 2013 1st round pick(Steven Adams) & a 2013 2nd round pick(Alex Abrines) for James Harden, Cole Aldrich, Daequan Cook & Lazar Hayward) 1-25: Clint Capela 2-42: Nick Johnson (Johnson was traded 1 year later to Denver with Kostas Papanikolaou, Joey Dorsey, Pablo Prigioni & a 2016 1st round pick(Juan Hernangomez) for Ty Lawson & a 2017 2nd round pick(Isaiah Hartenstein) 2-54: Traded to Milwaukee in 2012 with Sam Dalembert for Shaun Livingston, Jon Leuer, Jon Brockman & 12th pick in the 2012 draft 2015 1-18: Sam Dekker (Dekker was traded 2 years later to Los Angeles Clippers with Patrick Beverley, Montrezl Harrell, Darrun Hilliard, DeAndre Liggins, Lou Williams, Kyle Wiltjer, cash & a 2018 1st round pick for Chris Paul 1-27: Traded to Los Angeles Lakers in 2014 with Jeremy Lin & 2015 2nd round pick for Sergei Lishouk 2-32: Montrezl Harrell (Harrell was traded 2 years later to Los Angeles Clippers with Patrick Beverley, Sam Dekker, Darrun Hilliard, DeAndre Liggins, Lou Williams, Kyle Wiltjer, cash & a 2018 1st round pick for Chris Paul 2-36: Traded to Minnesota in 2014 with Troy Daniels, a 2015 2nd round pick & 2016 2nd round pick & cash for Corey Brewer 2-37: Traded to Philadelhia in 2015 with Isaiah Canaan for K.J. McDaniels 2-58: Traded to Philadelphia in 2014 with Sergei Lishouk; Minnesota sent Ronny Turiaf to Philadelphia 2016 1-15: Traded to Denver in 2015 with Kostas Papanikolaou, Joey Dorsey & Pablo Prigioni for Ty Lawson & a 2017 2nd round pick(Isaiah Hartenstein) 2-37: Chinanu Onuaku 2-43: Zhou Qi 2017 1-28: Traded to Los Angeles Lakers in 2017 with Corey Brewer for Lou Williams 2-43: Isaiah Hartenstein 2-45: Dillon Brooks (Brooks was traded to Memphis on draft night for a future 2nd round pick) 2-58: Traded to New York in 2015 with Alexey Shved & 2019 2nd round pick for Pablo Prigioni 2018 1-30: Traded to LA Clippers in 2017 with Patrick Beverley, Sam Dekker, Montrezl Harrell, Darrun Hilliard, DeAndre Liggins, Lou Williams, Kyle Wiltjer & cash for Chris Paul 2-46: De'Anthony Melton 2-52: Vince Edwards (Acquired from Utah for cash considerations) 2-60: Traded to Philadelphia in 2017 with cash considerations for Shawn Long 2019 1-26: Traded to Cleveland with Brandon Knight, Marquese Chriss & a 2022 2nd round pick for Iman Shumpert 2-55: Traded to New York in 2015 with Alexey Shved & 2017 2nd round pick for Pablo Prigioni 2020 1-22: Traded to Denver in 4-team trade for Robert Covington (Timberwolves: Robert Covington & Jordan Bell traded to Houston Hawks: 2026 2nd round pick traded to Houston for Clint Capela & Nene Hawks: Evan Turner & a 2020 1st round pick traded to Minnesota Nuggets: Malik Beasley, Juan Hernangomez & Jarred Vanderbilt traded to Minnesota Rockets: Gerald Green & a 2020 1st round pick traded to Denver Timberwolves: Keita Bates-Diop, Shabazz Napier & Noah Vonleh traded to Denver) 2-52: Traded to Sacramento in 2019 for Iman Shumpert https://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.ph...layer-development.299026/page-2#post-12795720 2020 1st traded for Robert Covington 2nd traded for Iman Shumpert 2019 1st traded for Iman Shumpert 2nd traded for Pablo Prigioni (traded; later waived) 2018 1st traded for Chris Paul 2nd(De'Anthony Melton) traded to dump Ryan Anderson for Brandon Knight & Marquese Chriss (who were traded with a 1st for Iman Shumpert) 2-52: Vince Edwards (bought from the Jazz) 2nd traded for Shawn Long (waived) 2017 1st traded for Lou Williams (traded for Chris Paul) 2-43: Isaiah Hartenstein 2nd traded to Memphis for future 2nd 2nd traded for Pablo Prigioni (traded; later waived) 2016 1st traded for Ty Lawson (waived) 2-37 Chinanu Onuaku (traded for Maarty Leunen) 2-43 Zhou Qi (waived) 2015 1-18 Sam Dekker (traded for Chris Paul) 1st traded to dump Jeremy Lin 2-32 Montrezl Harrel (traded for Chris Paul) 2nd traded for K.J. McDaniels (traded for cash consideration) 2nd traded for Corey Brewer (traded with a first for Lou Williams) 2nd traded for Alexey Shved (traded with two 2nds for Pablo Prigioni) 2014 1st traded for James Harden 1-25 Clint Capela 2-42 Nick Johnson (traded for Ty Lawson) 2-53 Alessandro Gentile (bought from the Wolves) (waived) 2nd traded for Jon Brockman(waived), Jon Leuer(waived), Shaun Livingston(waived) & 2012 12th overall pick 2013 1st traded for James Harden 1st traded for Terrence Williams (waived) 1st traded for Jonny Flynn(traded for Marcus Camby), rights to Donatas Motiejunas(released) & 2012 2nd 2nd traded for James Harden 2-34 Isaiah Canaan (traded with a 2nd for KJ McDaniels) 2012 1-12 Jeremy Lamb (traded for James Harden) 1-16 Royce White (waived) 1-18 Terrence Jones (not re-signed; later signed 10-day contracts with Houston) 2nd traded for Marcus Camby (traded for for Toney Douglas, Josh Harrellson, Jerome Jordan & two 2nds) 2nd traded for Chase Budinger (traded for a 1st) 2011 1-14 Marcus Morris (traded for a 2nd) 1-20 Donatas Motiejunas (released) 2-38 Chandler Parsons (left as a free agent) 2010 1-14 Patrick Patterson (traded for Francisco Garcia, Tyler Honeycutt and Thomas Robinson) 2nd traded for Gerald Green (waived; would re-sign with team years later) 2009 1st traded for Ron Artest (left as a free agent) 2-32 Jermaine Taylor (bought from Washington) (traded for 2nd they did not receive) 2-34 Sergio Llull (bought from Denver) (Llull C!) 2-44 Chase Budinger (bought from Detroit) (traded for a 1st) 2nd traded for Jackie Butler & Luis Scola (Butler waived; Scola amnestied) 2008 1-28 Donte Greene (traded for Ron Artest) 2-33 Joey Dorsey (traded with Carl Landry to the Kings for Kevin Martin & Hilton Armstrong; re-signed years later; traded for Ty Lawson) 2-54 Maarty Leunen 2007 1-26 Aaron Brooks (traded for Goran Dragic & a 1st; re-signed years later; traded for Jordan Hamilton) 2-31 Carl Landry (traded with Joey Dorsey to the Kings for Kevin Martin & Hilton Armstrong; re-signed 2-54 Brad Newley 2nd traded for Mike James(traded for Rafer Alston; signed with Minnesota who traded him back to Houston for Juwan Howard; traded to New Orleans for Bobby Jackson) & Zendon Hamilton(waived) 2006 (CD's last draft, IIRC?) 1st traded for Shane Battier (traded for DeMarre Carroll, Hasheem Thabeet & a 1st) 2-32 Steve Novak (traded to the Clippers for a 2nd round pick swap that did not happen) 2-44 Lior Eliyahu 2nd traded for John Amaechi (traded with Moochie Norris for Clarence Weatherspoon)
