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Jimmy Butler: Fred Hoiberg has to coach HARDER

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Carl Herrera, Dec 20, 2015.

  1. basketballholic

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    Gasol/Rose high pick-and-roll, Rose with the teardrop floater, Bulls scrumming for the offensive rebound. Repeat 100x.


    I like Butler and I'm glad he talks like this to the media. I remember Larry Bird and other greats calling out his teammates when they were playing crappy. Butler has a little bit of that nasty that Bird, Michael, Garnett all had. If there is one team that needs that nasty...it is us.

    I'm down with that. He's a great player on a great contract. Has the handle and ball skills to be a great secondary primary playmaker for us. And like I said the right attitude to keep this team on the straight and narrow. Would love to have him. I refuse to believe CHI would be so foolish to ever give him up.
     
  2. Realjad

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    aww but I thought 'Thibs' coaches his guys too hard?

    yet

    ya know

    everyone that plays for Thibs loves the guy as a coach and says he gets the most out of them (even Harden)

    yet the popular thing in the media and delusional idiots is that Thibs is too hard on his poor nba players and their health
     
  3. malakas

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    Actually Cowbell what's his name , anyway one of the "best" Chicago press reporters who is in Garpax pocket, had reported that there were three starters that had gone to managment and demanded Thibs fired and one of them was Butler.
     
  4. YaoMing#1

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    Imo you just don't go to the media and say things like this even if it's true, keep it in house.

    This isn't the first time he's questioned something Fred has done This season, prob won't be the last.

    I would love to have him on our team tho just not down with calling out your coach in the media.
     
  5. cheke64

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    Delusional people also say you can't motivate or it won't have any effect.
     
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    I'll never forgive Hoiberg for convincing McHale to draft Royce White. F*** him.
     
  7. KillScarz

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    Why can't he say this? Jimmy came into the league not having much of an offensive game. He worked on it to be a good game now. Why can't he say his coach needs to work harder to be a better coach. He didn't say he sucks, just that more effort is needed.
    That's what Rockets need right now. Certain things shouldn't be discussed to media, but on court performances good or bad should always be acceptable.
    A Rocket saying "we lost because Harden didn't play enough Defense." I would like to see how Harden responds to that on the court. Rather than hearing "Harden lost his mojo with Khloe" Thats unprofessional.
     
  8. t_mac1

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    Butler means Hoiberg needs to tell DRose to shoot less.
     
  9. DraftBoy10

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    Everything Hoiberg touches NBA wise has and will suck.

    His game? Horrible
    His drafting advice? Royce White
    His coaching? He thinks he's being innovative with the high pick & rolls and the pass off screens. It's going nowhere.

    McHale and his little friend have a lot in common-- being incompetent.

    Only time will let Hoiberg be fired. I feel for Jimmy, you go from having a coach that forces you to be accountable, is there to push you the hardest, and you go to this soft flower of a coach.
     
  10. DraftBoy10

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    Spot on.

    These player that harp about minutes forget to see teams logged their players a lot to get to the top. They really did, an old MJ played a lot. Championship-Kobe played a lot.

    Thibs just wants the best. His offensive strategy was extremely underrated; he got the best out of Gasol since 2010, has developed/allowed Gibson, Noah, and Butler to flourish. He's even capable of making defensive-limited players, like Boozer, Nate, Brooks, MDJ, etc., look competent.

    He's not against offense or developing. It's not his forte, but he was average-above average in those.

    Unless we somehow pry Rick Adelman back into coaching, give this man the job here. He'll make our defense top 5 statistically, but impact wise #1. Teams won't score with Bev/Ariza/Howard or a form of them with Brewer/Capela. We got excellent pieces severely underutilized. We know James Harden performs under him; he'll hold that Khloe ****er ACCOUNTABLE.
     
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    lol Donovan??

    Isn't this his 1st year and not even 30 games in yet?
     
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    Billy Donovan? No, I'm claiming him, not you. First year coach with a .667 winning % and 3rd in the league point differential. That's not failure in my book. OKC fans say he's making strides that are refreshing after years of Scottie

    And btw: Messina isn't a head coach. So, you can take him off your list. So, all you really have is David Blatt riding Lebron's coattails, while I have Stevens and Donovan. Oh, and it's not like Hoiberg is a failure as first yr either. Pretty sure he'd do better with Lebron as well, like Blatt.

    I do agree though that a lot of NCAA coaches success stems from their ability to recruit vs coach. Recruiting success doesn't translate well to NBA. And the NBA has learned. Hasn't been many for awhile making the jump. But Stevens and Donovan seem to be doing fine as 1st yr coaches. I think you are reaching.
     
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    Hoiberg's first year too. And Brad Stevens. And Blatt has Lebron.

    And we aren't even counting the NCAA coaches that come in as an Asst first, to later get HC. Yet, DraftBoy is trying to claim Messina, as an Asst Coach.
     
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    and harden says
    "just get out of our way coach
    and oh dont mess with my partying
    and choice of women"
     
  15. Haymitch

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    Bulls need to hire McHale
     
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    #BeWell :p
     
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    NBA teams: stop hiring college coaches
     
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    Jimmy Butler will never come to houston lol.
     
  19. Cold Hard

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    Maybe Butler should have kept this in-house, but other than that...this entire story is much ado about nothing. I don't think Hoiberg will lose any sleep over what Butler said. Teams need accountability from the players, coaching staff, GM, etc. If someone's not doing enough or (worse) being a deadweight for the rest of the team, then that problem needs to be dealt with quickly.

    And as for college coaches...some of them work out in the NBA (I think Donovan will be a very good NBA coach for a long time) while others don't. It's not that hard to tell which NCAA coaches definitely wouldn't work out in the pros if the GM/owner knows what to look for, particularly regarding the coach's temperament.
     
  20. malakas

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    The FO mouthpiece (Johnson) wrote a very bad article about Butler where they paint him as a team cancer who curses everyone and doesn't follow orders and alienates all this teammates. And then the same man went and said that Rose (the person who they were attacking for the past year) is a great teammate who never complains.
    This is typical for GarPax.

    It reminds me of the ancient greek tyrants. Divide and concquer.Make whoever opposes you into a target and scapegoat so there will be noone blaming and going for you.
    They did the same exactly thing for Thibs last year.
    Then Rose.
    Now Butler.
     

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