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Jim Tressel Out at Ohio State

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by Lil Pun, May 30, 2011.

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  1. LonghornFan

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    Pryor's "new" 350Z.

    This is gonna get good.

    Dork. At least put some decent tires on it and add some spacers. That looks rice as ****.
     
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    Only a matter of time before UT or A&M get caught and everyone here can stfu with their hating.
     
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  4. DonnyMost

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    That looks a lot like me after I ate a bucket of Popeye's last night.
     
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    Don't forget to add Rice. Bunch of thugs and hoodlum folk there too.
     
  6. LonghornFan

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    No hate here, you're "god" like coach just turned out to be a fraud and a compulsive liar. Sorry for your loss. lol
     
  7. Acedude

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    NCAA has some really ****ty rules, but rules are rules.
     
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    They get paid. They get a full scholarship to a top tier university. Like any employee, if they don't like the terms of their employment, they can always say no.
     
  9. Ubiquitin

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    A full scholarship to Ohio State is worth ~$85,000 over four years before taxes. For out of state students, the cost is more, but the amount reserved that is not for tuition and fees remains the same, approximately $10,000 a year. $10,000 covers living in the dorms or off campus living, health insurance costs (which eats almost $1000), campus dining or groceries, etc. In no way can you say that their scholarship is the equivalent to getting paid. They'd get more annually washing dishes full time in the commons than they do from their scholarship.
     
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    They owe them every hour of their day, in training, practice and study. You show me a job where you work that many hours, produce that much that much revenue for their company, at that pay.

    I'm not saying they should get paychecks. Maybe, a 401k type program that you can buy into, and provided you graduate with certain grades, or even performance minimums, you could get a stipend. OSU makes so much money off the Tyrelle Pryor brand, he deserves a piece of the pie. If he got hurt tomorrow, his contribution to the University constitutes, in my mind, some insurance compensation after the career at the very least.
     
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    Sure you're right they receive compensation for their services, but it's, in general, vastly disproportionate to the value of their labor, by reason of collusion, plain and simple. and, more importantly, this analogy to employees doesn't really fit, because 1) they're not employees, and 2) if they were they'd have multiple causes of action against the NCAA institutions for violations of federal & state labor laws as well as most prominently federal antitrust laws.

    Good article about why the NCAA is a monopsony/Cartel, plain and simple, here:

    http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/2011/04/monopsony-in-college-athleticsposner.html
     
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    That comes out to $21,000 per year and is not taxable. How many hours a year does a football player "work" for their school? There are all sorts of limits as to how many hours you can practice or any number of other things. Their total hours over the course of a year likely adds up to less than 25% of a full time employee.

    Your dishwasher at $7.25 an hour (minimum wage), 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year with no vacation would make $15,000 minus taxes.
     
  13. Ubiquitin

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    Only the tuition is untaxed, everything else gets taxed and you receive a 1099 annually. You seem to be missing the point they are only getting $10,000 to live off of for a year. Tuition could be $100,000 per year, but they'd still only see the extra money less insurance and other hidden university fees that Ohio State budgets for all of its students cost of attendance.

    So working full time at the commons ($10/hr base wage, increase a few percent every year) would earn you 20800 to live off of while going to school on full scholarship pays you about half of that. If your goal is to be an athlete, where your very image is being marketed and is generating the university tons of money this is a crappy deal whereas the same cannot be said for the student who uses the scholarship for an education.

    This is true at any university.
     
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    For all of those with the arguement "Everyone is doing it" or "Wait until UT or A&M get caught" should read this:

    http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/...ol/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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    Every time ANOTHER SEC school gets busted giving cars or cash (or having an agent do it) to a player they parade the usual suspects (Holtz, Meyer, Saban) onto ESPN where they cry crocodile tears about how HARD it is to keep track of 85 guys and what they do in their off time?

    Really?

    You have 85 players to go with 8 position coaches, 10 S&C coaches, 5 full time academic support personnel, 5 full time athletic trainers, 15 student assistant trainers, 5 guys on the film staff, 10 equipment managers, a recruiting coordinator, 5 guys in your compliance office devoted to football. You can do the math on player to support personnel ratios, but it’s pretty obvious that if the people in a NCAA football program are paying one lick of attention and actually give a rip about playing by the rules, it is IMPOSSIBLE to have a car (worth driving) that people in the program don’t know about. This “open secret” at Ohio State with cars ranging from free to ultimate sweetheart deals is unforgiveable.
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    Note: Pro-UT article from a pro-UT website
     
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    So . .. when he leaves. . .OSU gets punished. . . . Pryor gets punished
    but Tressel can just pick up a new gig and keep on trucking . . .

    Rocket RIver
     
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    I'm not sure JT will be able to land another job.
     
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    No it's kind of the exact opposite.

    He's probably going to get a "show cause" order which will effectively blacklist him in terms of coaching college sports until it's lifted.
     
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    This is true for about 25 football programs. The majority of D1 football programs lose money. The rest barely break even or turn a small profit using highly questionable accounting.
     
  20. A_3PO

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    Stick a fork in Tressel. He's done (at least for a long while).
     

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