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Jim Jackson inside scoop

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hasheesh, Dec 30, 2004.

  1. MadMax

    MadMax Member

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    is this a new thing?? what pro sports franchise is above the fray??

    the rockets have traded away far better players than jim jackson guys like steve francis, cuttino mobley, robert horry and sam cassell come to mind. nothing new here.
     
  2. MadMax

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    it's the world we all live in, aloe. no one is saying he shouldn't be upset. but you buck up like a little camper..grow up...and honor the contract...or don't, and pay the price, whatever that is.
     
  3. hasheesh

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    MAD MAX, there is nothing new ...you're right....


    Let's just admit that the Rockets are shady...

    Steve, Cat, and now Jim Jackson can tell you that...

    McGrady and Yao are next....


    Let's root for the Jazz, spice it up a little.....what's the difference?
     
  4. Sleepy

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    Yes I do get it I've been around these situations.
     
  5. MadMax

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    because they're not from Houston.

    and there's nothing SHADY about it. it's the nature of the business. happens all the time. shady??? come on!!
     
  6. YallMean

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    Jackson had a streak of most consecutive games in which 3 pointers made in the rocket history and the front office even pleaded for it to the NBA. He was playing his heart out for us with 40+ minutes. All of sudden you get punished while with good performance.
    Imagine you are a good employee and contribute to your company more than anyone else. Then the layoff comes, and you get cut. Even though your buddy hook you up with a similar job but with all kinds of heavy work. What would you do then if you had enough? And Imagine this happens to you 11 times.

    I totally understand JJ.
     
  7. MadMax

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    no, no, no. it's NOT a punishment. i understand he views it as that. but if the rockets thought they needed to mix things up, then that's what they'll do. that's what teams do. frankly, this speaks to jackson's value. teams don't trade for players they think are bad players. the very fact that he is a decent player is why he was part of this trade.

    remember what francis said...he said the fact the trade was made with him included was a testament to his value. he was right.
     
  8. MadMax

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    oooohhhhhh... why didn't you say so?? well, then...of course.
     
  9. YallMean

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    :D
    And Imagine this happens to someone 10 times.
     
  10. meh

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    Apparently, JJ's "good performance" is good enough to give the Rockets a 13-14 record before he left.

    If I were performing my job well for a company, and the company told me that I'm laid off because they found someone better at my job to replace me, then I'd be pretty pissed. But I wouldn't feel betrayed. I'd just accept my fate because it's a risk of working for a private company.
     
  11. MadMax

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    AND HE'S NOT BEING FIRED!!! he still has a GREAT JOB!!! he may choose not to fulfill the contract he signed. but he isn't out on the streets looking for work. he's not unemployed.


    man..the lamenting over this one guy who got traded in the midst of a universe of players who are traded in every sport, in ever league around the world is just beyond baffling to me.
     
  12. bob718

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    I don't know too much about the NBA business.
    Only one thing I know for sure: Dream was traded when he was old, Robinson wasn't.
     
  13. Sleepy

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    Wesley is not a better player or an upgrade. This team has a problem its not the players fault its the GM's Fault. CD HAS BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH. TIME TO GO.
     
  14. Sleepy

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    Tells you about the organization.
     
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    You got to be kidding to compare pro sports job to a regular job. Most regular jobs are at-will based instead of contract based. People rarely get relocated by a regular job. Pro sports jobs are all contract based. They leaguge allow trading to give teams more flexibility in ordert to deliver a better product. Most contracts are sign without the no-trading clause because usually you have to sacrifice money in order to get such a clause. Guess what, JJ's contract didn't have such a clause. Otherwise it would have been a lot less money.
     
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    Anyone can retire when they want to, but it's good policy not to leave the employer high and dry, which is what JJ has done.
     
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    Well you may say the management decision is a fair assessment of JJ's value. We fans, a lot of us, dont agree with that. In fact a lot of people around the league dont understand it either.
    I actually was not paticular thrilled with JJ's game, but you can see the guy played his heart out there for us. He has been toneing down his game a lot to stick to JVG's system.
    From Rox organization point of view, you can say this is not a punishment of him, this is his fair value. But from JJ's prospective for a moment, 34 years old traded 10 times 15.4pts career stats, what have I done wrong to people. Hornets possibly would end up the worst record in the NBA history. You get to be professional to some degree. Beyond that, you use your right to be your own employee.
     
  18. daoshi

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    How many games have you watched with Wesley playing? I cannot believe the comment made here regards this guy, when obviously they don't have any idea about who he really is. Someone even claimed Wesley was primarily a SG!:confused:

    Being fom Big 10 school in Chicago area, I used to watch JJ lot when he was with Ohio St., and quite a few games when Wesley was playing, especially for the Hornets. Wesley spent most of his career as a PG, he shares a lot PG duty even when B. Davis was the primary PG for the Hornets. The guy is a very good on-ball defender. He is very quick with both his hands and feet, also is one of the strongest guard in the league. He does take some wild shots, but given the fact that he has always been one of the teams' primary scoring option, that's understandable.

    Wesley is a slightly upgrade from JJ, Boki won't get any play time as long as JVG is here. So we actually get the better end of the deal from this trade.
     
  19. tested911

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    Lets get real here... If someone was to pay me say 3-5 mil a year and said to me your gonna have to move every year from team to team.. would I quit my job at some company and play for NO...


    Heres my dam answer to that..



    ( Hell F@#$@$#@ yeah )
     
  20. MadMax

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    sure...i have no problem with that. no problem with him being upset at being traded.

    but this is not a knock on the Rockets...unless you just think they're dumb because JJ is better than Wesley. that's a fair argument. but it's not classless to trade a player. players leave teams all the time...teams, in turn, trade players.

    jim wanted to stay...he's upset he has to leave. you wouldn't know it by reading the posts here....the rockets are a classless organization no one would want to play for, according to them.
     

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