Intentionally fatuous, as much an RM95 staple as the rolly-eye smiley. That is very obviously not what I meant. You have to be at work at a scheduled time. Sleeping is a bodily function. Beam wants its employees to pee at a scheduled time. Peeing is a bodily function. If you say, "How can they tell me to pee on a schedule?", that indicates that you do not think your employer should be able to control your bodily functions, in this case, urination. My response to that is that they already control some bodily functions-- they can tell you what time to come to work. You can no more say "8 AM doesn't work for me" (if you're working an assigned shift) "because my body doesn't want to wake up at 8" than you can say, "I can't pee on my assigned breaks because my body doesn't want to". I thought that what I was getting at was extremely obvious, but if I have to spell out my posts to get you to actually answer them instead of acting like they don't make any sense, I will do that going forward. Note that he said "a day", not "within a normal 9-hour work schedule". I think the solution would be for these adults to act like adults and accept that there are times when you just have to hold it. When I'm leading a meeting, and I determine that I have to go, I wait until the meeting is over. That is part of my job responsibility. If I couldn't meet that responsibility, I'd have to find another job.
Brian, waking up is a voluntary bodily function. The need to urinate is involuntary. But I'm sure you already know that.
Hmmmm...That would explain the wet spot on the floor... Seriously Brian, if you want to keep defending a corporation's rights to dictate when grown adults can use the bathroom, go for it. Someone's got to stick up for the big guys. But my hunch is that this company policy won't stand.
I just don't have to go unless I think about it. I don't get the urge too much to have to go to the bathroom. When I need to go for a doctor's visit or drug test it comes out with no problem. I dunno why? I talk to my pee-pee like in Look Who's Talking and it listens to me.
The need to wake up is an involuntary bodily function. Urinating is voluntary. But I'm sure everyone already knew that. Hey! That was fun. I need to twist words around more often. Maybe if I do it enough, I might even get some backslapping.
Maybe this explains why Jim Beam is the worst tasting bourbon/whiskey out there. As for the smoke break arguements, I have no sympathy for the smokers. At my office, for example, people coordinate their smoke breaks as a social gathering. Then at the end of the week they don't log a single minute of 'general time'. However, I do not smoke and log as much as 5 hours of general time because of the nature of my job. I cannot account for 5 min phone calls on projects that have already been invoiced. By the end of the week it adds up. BUT......my boss has the nerve to bring up my 'excessive' general time, yet my profitability on all of my projects is outstanding. His arguement is that I should be 100% billable. As a matter of fact we had this very conversation last week. My response was to take the 6 years I've been here, add up four 15 min. smoke breaks everyday and cut me a check for my time. We left it at that I'm seriously considering taking up smoking again just to make a point. I understand the addictions that smokers have because I used to smoke myself. But I would urge all who do smoke to stop. I've lost my Grandmother to lung cancer and my Grandfather to lung cancer ( he did not smoke....all second hand). This live now and suffer the consequences later crap is foolish.
I don't think there is anything wrong with this policy, but this is one sentiment I don't care to argue with. Alas, at the very end of the day, Jim Beam will crater to loud public opinion.
4 breaks for an 8 1/2 hour shift seems pretty reasonable to me. We all have to be able to be able to have some degree of self-control to do our jobs. It would probably be frowned upon by Rudy if Rocket players had to take a time out to use the restroom. Referees at NBA games can't really use the restroom during a game. At my work, there are no such restrictions but we often have meetings that last an hour and nobody leaves to use the restroom.
I have work on the lines [at compaq] Someone missing can be significant however, not unover-comable Better to hold up the line than have some one doing the peepee dance and not concentrating on their job? I mean so what if a few computers hit the floor and get either put back on the line. . or reworked [more expense] So next time ya Jim Beam tastes a lil funny. . . . . maybe it isn't the yellow dye #5 Rocket River MicroManagement sux
Ah yes, I can see that this thread is going to turn into a monster thread with many replies and views, just like gettinbranded's (may he rest in piece - NOT ) thread about not washing your hands. Who knew that bathroom topics in the hangout were so popular?? All facetiousness aside, I am sorta torn by this issue as I can see both sides. I drink a lot of water and I have to go to the bathroom at work at least 4 or 5 times a day. However, I also drink 2 Mello Yellos a day as well. But, I am confident because I have done it before that I could hold it if needed. But I think it is more than weak bladders and drinking a lot of caffeinated drinks. This is something being pushed on by the union (ending this policy). Someone eluded to this earlier, I think, and it was one of the first things I thought about saying. Now, please bear in mind, that what I'm about to say is not meant as derogatory by any means. I work for a company that has some employees that belong to unions like IBEW, IAM (International Association of Machinists - I think?), etc. These union employees are sorta considered not "professional" by some of the regular, full-time exempt employees aka the "professional" or salaried employees. It is like unions are so distrusted and disliked by management that the first impression is "there is no way in hell we are going to give into their demands this time. After all, we have already given them every other Friday off. What do they want now?? To go to the bathroom whenever they want to?? Hardy-har-har... is told that is the demand Oh, you don't say..." You get the idea, so the negative impression of unions, I would guess, would have a lot to Jim Beam saying fuggettaboutiiiiittt to these employees.
HFS!!! Who knew that Kelvin Cato worked for a defense contractor (at least that is what it sounds like when you are describing being "100% billable", a term that I am very familiar with)!! And here all this time, I thought he was an invisible C for our Rockets!! Seriously, reading your post KC, reminded me alot about my job. Ah, general time, know all about it...hell, it is why I'm always posting on the site!
if the fact that people are actually urinating on themselves cannot change your minds, than nothing will. i really don't know what more to say. it seems obvious enough to me... you have to urinate, you go to the bathroom. if you hold it often enough (and this rule tells workers that they must basically hold it in everyday) you'll suffer health problems (tract infections)... i guess its ok to soil yourself and suffer potential health problems as long as the company keeps churning out the product.
I am your C, Manny. And it's Rudy that's all over my ass about my smoke breaks. He and CD are always crying about my 42 mil and the 15 min breaks I take in practice. Mo Tay and I have it down like clock work. Thing is that Mo must be smoking cloves or something cause his stuff ALWAYS smells funny. And the first thing he does after his smoke break is head to the candybar machine. Not sure why though. I think he must be allergic to smoke too. His eyes get so red after he smokes his filterless cigarettes. Always bumming Visine from me. It's cool though. I've got 42 mil so a 4 dollar bottle of Visine aint nothing to me.
My response, which should've been obvious, is that while sleeping is a bodily function, you have something that will easily control that, and allow you to stop it when you want it to-<B>an alarm clock</B>. As far as I know, there are no similar devices for urination. Putting your hand over your penis doesn't count. So your example sucks.
Jeez drapg... At most, an hour and a half between breaks where employees could go to the bathroom......and actually, that only applies to just over 2/3rds of the employees...as the other third got doctor's notes (no doubt, at the union's urging)..... ......Do you REALLY believe that employees are wetting themselves? Do you REALLY believe they are wearing depends? Do you not think that just for one second, maybe, JUST MAYBE, the union might be stretching the truth....just a tad.....to get their way?
