Jihadists' plot to attack NYC transportation system thwarted

There are too many assumptions in that experiment that are not accurate. For instance, the World Trade Center was not supported by a rigid external structure, but rather a series of columns rising up through the center of the building.

 

I seriously hope he was being sarcastic when he posted that link.

 

That shows how little knowledge you have when you compare conventional conflicts with definitive goals to a war against an unconventional enemy with -- at best -- 'vague' goals.

For the last time: 'terrorism' is a tool of war. It existed centuries before America was founded and will exist long after America's demise. You don't fight 'terrorism', you fight a specific enemy. If we're at a 'war against terror', then it will be a never-ending war with no end in sight, even if it drags on for centuries.

Don't buy into slogans such as "War on Terror", they're nothing more than catchy phrases with little or no meaning designed to rally the ignorant masses.

Now, what would be more accurate is to define the enemy: is it Al-Qaida? Is it radical Islamic militants? Is it state-sponsored terrorism? Is it dictatorial regimes in the Middle East? Is it a combination of all these things/groups? Is it expanding our empire? Is it world domination? What is it? What's the objective?

As for this capture of a wannabe terrorist, good news no matter what. What does it prove? It proves what tens -- if not hundreds -- of respected world leaders/US government officials have always said: you fight radicalism/terrorism through police actions (i.e. law enforcement), not unilateral wars on sovereign nations that inflame terrorism and radicalize people.

In other words, the goal is expanding American influence/ideas/values abroad and removing any obstacles to achieving that goal. I could buy into that, it fits a 'pattern' of US foreign policy for more than half a century.

The funny thing is when you say something like that, people dismiss you out of hand as a 'conspiracy theorist', when all you have to do is examine factual documents/evidence to reach a conclusion. The premise of 'perpetual conflict' or 'constant conflict' has been promoted by some policymakers as the best way to farther American interests abroad and at home.

I came across this long article in the past, it's worth your time if you're interested in this kind of stuff. This isn't some loony 'left-wing' crap, there are people in positions of power in our country who hold and promote these views, and succeed at doing so:

http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/97summer/peters.htm

America is very, very ambitious...

 

Bull. You have plenty of time. What you lack is the courage of your convictions. And also convictions. And also courage. And so you will run away like you do every time I or someone else challenges you to back up your simple, jingoistic, "You're doing a heckuva job, Bushie!" hokum.

You already know my take, but here it is again:

Restore the funding that was stupidly cut from NYC's homeland security budget and carry out every single recommendation made by the 9/11 commission -- in other words, do everything in the government's power to protect its people from attacks. Now you can either tell me which part of that you disagree with or run away like the puffed up chicken you are. I think we all know which one you'll choose.

 

GREAT NEWS! That would teach them not to mess with th U.S.! We should not tolerate or symphatize this crap here in this country. I feel bad for other countries who has to deal with this senseless, cowardly acts by these delusional A holes who believes 1,000 virgins awaits them in the afterlife!

 

Ya that's crazy...

everyone knows its 72 virgins.

1) What if the bomber wants girls with more experience?
2) What if one virgin is no good in bed? Does she get replaced or is he stuck with 71?
3) If he's gay, does he get male virgins?
4) What if he's celibate? What does he get?
5) What if he hasn't reached puberty yet? Does he get 72 X-Boxes till he comes of age?
6) If he's bi, does he get 36 of each?
7) If he blows himself up while building the bomb, does he still get credit?
8) What do you call a relationship with 72 women, a menage-a-soixante-deux?
9) Are they like 72 wives or 1 wife and 71 concubines?
10) What if he's ugly or smells bad and the virgins don't want anything to do with him?
11) Is there viagra in paradise? Ya know, just in case?
12) Is there an age of consent?
13) When they're deflowered, do they get replaced by new virgins or are they "born again"?
14) Do they become his common-law wives eventually?
15) If he has a tryst with a 73rd virgin, do the others consider it cheating?
16) Do the virgins have a union? If so, can they strike if they're not satisfied?
17) Is there a temp agency that replaces virgins if they call in sick?
18) What if the bomber's into animals? Does he get accommodated?
19) Why 72? Is 71 too few? Is 73 too many?
20) If it was a female bomber, how do the male virgins prove their virginity?
21) What happens when paradise runs out of virgins?
22) Can a bomber make reservations on specific virgins before he blows himself up?
23) If there are no virgins available, is he put on a waiting list?
24) If he's a catholic priest, does he get 72 little boys?
25) Would you call a female bomber a bombshell?
26) Would you call a child bomber a bombino?
27) Is it not 73 out of respect for Barry Bond's home run record?
28) If the bomber previously dated one of the virgins, does it get awkward?
29) Do they have a bomb squad in paradise just in case one of the charges didn't go off?
30) Did they start using female bombers because they ran out of virgins for the guys?
31) If she's a lesbian, do they "convert" the virgins, or will straight girls suffice her?
32) Does a hermaphrodite bomber get hermaphrodite virgins?
33) If so, are there 72 available?
34) If they run out of virgins, do they get inflatable dolls till they find more?
35) If a bomber finds an infidel in paradise, can he blow him up and get 72 more virgins?
36) Could the Koran have had a typo and it actually provided just one 72 year old virgin?
37) Is Muslim hell being one of the 72 virgins?
38) Instead of 72 guys, would a female bomber settle for 1 man who does dishes and garbage?
39) Do the bombers go broke on Valentine's Day?
40) If he's monogamous, does he pick one of the 72 or does he get a supermodel?
41) What if he doesn't like either gender? Does he just klutz around in paradise?
42) Eternity is long, and eventually he'll grow bored of his 72 women. What happens then?
43) How does he pick the 72 to begin with? Lottery? Beauty pageant? Police lineup?
44) Is he allowed to covet his neighbor's virgins?
45) Do the virgins have agents and/or contracts?
46) If so, can a virgin request to be traded or put on waivers if she's unhappy?
47) What should he say if one of the virgins asks "Does this Burka make me look fat?"
48) If he gives the wrong answer, is he uh, screwed?
49) How is anyone expected to handle a catfight amongst 72 women?
50) Did the 9/11 hijackers who didn't know they were going to die get 72 virgins too?
51) Are scouts employed to find virgin talent?
52) Do the virgins ever retire, or do they remain virgins forever?
53) If they retire, what kind of pension plan do they get?
54) Wouldn't it be interesting if they're virgins because they're ugly?
55) So is it 72 Muslim girls or like 1 virgin from every culture?
56) Wouldn't it be sweet if Lorena Bobbit got hired as one of the virgins?
57) What does Gloria Steinem have to say about all this?
58) When he gets home, does he have to say "How was your day?" to all 72 virgins?
59) Do they have counseling for sexual addiction in paradise?
60) If the virgins start hogging the remote, is he in hell?
61) They must take up an entire theater when they go to the movies, huh?
62) Are there restaurants in paradise that can accommodate a reservation for 73?
63) If a virgin suffers from multiple personalities, is she considered two virgins?
64) Does he get all the virgins at once, or do they have an installment plan?
65) Is the bomber entitled to subsitutes, exchanges, or refunds?
66) What if all the king's horses and all the king's men can't put the bomber together again?
67) Is "not tonight, dear, I have a headache" a valid excuse in paradise?
68) Do the virgins come with a warranty?
69) If so, does paradise replace defective parts and provide on-site service?
70) What do you call a lifetime warranty if you're dead?
71) Do siamese twin bombers get 144 virgins?
72) Who gets to clean up all those nasty sheets?

http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000079.html

 

Yikes! It seems more complicated in the afterlife, hopefully this should keep them from blowing themselves up!

 

Guess the simpson's quote wasn't enough.

Will post more winky things next time.

 

i saw that dumb recreation on another BBS.. my god.. how entirely moronic.


anyway, a few points on this thread.

"war on terrorism" is a political hook, like a catchy lyric in a song. most don't even know what it really means or entails, but they like the way it sounds because it conveys a sense of finality and definition.

you can't wage war on an idea. you can't wage war on a tactic. and its arguable if you can even wage war on a group of secretive, religious extremists that claim no nationalism... every country is fighting a "war" on terrorism right now, and they always have been.. why else have countries protected their own borders?

 

I'd still like to wage a War on War.

 

The insurgents are pretty smart. They wanted to flood NYC. The one thing your government can't do is protect the citizens from water.

 

The media has told me that water isn't the problem, but rather the looters and refugees that come as a result of the water.

 

I think it's been established that link was a joke, but the floors of the building were suspended between the *single* inner core and the steel outer frame and thus both had to remain intact to prevent the pancake collapse.
There were no support columns between the two which made for huge open spaces inside the building. Quite innovative.

I'm guessing you have a pretty good grasp on what happened but just in case.. Picture the removable shelfs in a fridge, put a gallon of milk in the middle of the shelf to simulate the weight of the floor and all stuff on it. Now imagine what happens when the walls of the fridge are weakened and are allowed to move apart.

I have yet to see a conspiracy theory that doesn't ignore either common sense or the way the building was constructed. The most laughable has got to be the explosives theory.

Yeah thats it, Foil Hat People, terrorists or the gov. or aliens loaded two buildings with explosives without anyone noticing and then just for giggles flew two airliners into them.

 

hmmmm, are you being sarcastic? that seemed kind of dumb to me.

 

texxx runs away again. Won't say if he supports or opposes the 9/11 commission recommendations or cutting 40% from the NYC homeland security budget. Why am I not surprised? Are there any righties at all that will stand up for what they believe in? No? Okay.

 

On what planet should that not a topic of political discussion?

 

A great lot of the 9/11 commission's recommendations have been thwarted by the Bush admin (as the commission itself was, when Bush was against it before he was for it), which has also been silent on the cuts to NYC homeland security. Bush is not serious about protecting America and neither are you. You are both only interested in convincing people that the other side is "weak on terror." You couldn't care less about terror. This is a football game to you.

But I will ask again, even while I know I won't get a substantive answer from you (after all, no one ever has), which recommendations from the 9/11 commission are you in favor of blocking?

 

Who would bother when you've already answered to your own satisfaction? At that point, it doesn't matter what anyone would try to say.