The backups sucking was the reason Rafer HAD TO play 40 minutes per game. If they had a JVG era Chris Childs coming off the bench, Rafer could have played 25-30 mins per game and the team would have been better with Rafer on or off the court. Look at the numbers with Rafer in and out of the game, and it is apparent that as mediocre or worse as Rafer was, taking him out was not an option.
I found the funny part of this thread ... I thought it was about Coach JVG and Rick Adelman but only the first 14 or so posts were talking about it, then the thread "conveniently" turned into another Rafer argument since the 15th post and lasted 8 pages long but no one seems to have any complain about it? Since it is so derailed and others are curious about Carl Herrera's identity, please bear with my question below: Van Gundier, are you also "Bulletrain" in the Bucks forum?
Because he said so....Here in this post That is a result of a coach not trusting the players the GM brought in to be the backup at that spot. JL3 could have been a backup but got spotty duty there, V-Span might have developed there if given a chance to curb his turnover issues, but inexplicably JVG ran him out there as a spot up shooter. Tmac could have run the PG position for 15 minutes a game and slide Bonzi down to the SF position but we all know why that didn't happen. There were options, they were just not ones that the Head coach liked or agreed with....IMO. And this thread is a weak attempt at making a comparison between Rick Adelman and JVG by using comments that EVERY coach will make..... JVG had a failed tenure here in Houston, he did some good things and some bad, but ultimately having a team blowing two 2-0 series leads got him canned. It is not fair to place all the blame on JVG for blowing both those leads, as the players were also to blame, but sometimes another coach can get more out of the same group of players. And, when JVG made fun of his bosses request to be more positive in the media, his days were numbered. DD
Dear Lord. Said GM just brought in 3, count them, 3 shiny new point guards in the offseason. Two of whom came before VMac decided to take his ball and pout his way home. And we even knew Bonzi would be back before acquiring all three. A stirring vote of confidence for John Lucas, Spanoulis, and TMac for point guard! By a brand new head coach, nonetheless! No one liked or agreed with them except for you.
Nike, I was talking about CD, and our last year. The point was that he should have been more in concert with the thinking of the front office. At least give one of them a chance instead of exhausting a marginal PG talent like Rafer each and every game. And also turning down a trade for Mike James last year was inexcusable. At the end of the day all that matters is the Rockets got better, from coaching to players. DD
No need, your guy got fired because he didn't agree with managment and consistently failed in the playoffs. I can't wait for all the JVG only fans to dissapate over time.....now that he is no longer with the Rockets. DD
my guy? get over it pyscho, i didnt even mention jvg! WTF is wrong with you? I was addressing your comment for christ sakes! Then you go off on your one track, simple mind, repeated, played out and flat out idiotic rant about jvg. how r****ded. yes, rather then own up to your stupid comment about playing crap/fringe players was going to help the rockets win, you write off a valid rebuttal with "jvg lover...blah, blah...". Nice. How very D&D of you. You made the comment to play crap players, not me. Like that was the rockets secret weapon. Kill them with crap, that's a good strategy. The awfulness would leave the enemy stunned "your" guy got traded, fired and deported...tail firmly between legs and his mom holding his hand. "your" other guy (jl3, since i was actually making a legit argument) will also be cut and/or will be a career 3rd string/fringe nba player.
To be clear this thread is about JVG and Rick Adelman.......and you only find it idiotic because you don't agree with it. If you come in with sarcastic one liners don't whine when people call you on it. Well the point was that JVG did not play those 2 or even Bonzi at the SF with Tmac spelling Rafer, thus making it germaine to this discussion. And whether they are crap or not is up in the air (at least to me) as no one played last year behind Rafer, except Luther, and we know he is a crap PG. And are you saying you are not a JVG supporter? Because your posts over the last year say otherwise. DD PS..Psycho....ROFLMAO....usually you just come in with your sarcastic one liners......nice to see you can contribute to a thread with a decent response.
you mean the bonzi that quit before the playoffs? yeah. you're really on a roll, jl3, v-gina, now bonzi...who's next? big jake! he was the key! or better yet, bob sura. ok. And i dont know if i would die if i fell off the empire state building. I mean, i've never done it so how could i really know. another weak argument. Hell, how do we know you werent the missing piece...you never got the chance right? laughable point. JVG supporter? what you wanna call it, go ahead. He's a good coach and an interesting character. even though you're too stubborn, headheaded, or stupid, to admit that fact.
The key? ROFLMAO...what did you go to the Sam Fisher, leap to conclusions school of thought? I mean the KEY is getting your starters some rest so they can finish the game strong....even if it means you have to play some marginal talent to get them that rest. LOL - uh yeah...wtf ever. Actually I have said on numerous occasions he is a good coach in the right situation, and I was ok with him on the Steve Francis/Cat Mobley teams as they needed discipline, but as soon as we brought in Tmac, JVG was a fish out of water. He is a good coach, who gets his teams to play a very controlled style of basketball. I do not believe him or his sytem is of championship caliber, and that is simply my (as you said) overstated opinion. DD
LoL. I don't even know what to say. He gave them both a chance. Hell, they had the chance to win the job from Rafer in the preseason. Instead, they let a shooting guard with poor handles and passing ability win the backup point guard job out of training camp because they (JL3 and VMac) were that awful. Coaching had nothing to do with it.
Take a look at all the mentioning. And excuse me. I live in New York City. I cuddle him just by strolling down to SoHo and meeting him there. Jealous.
right. so far 2 of the cheapest message board tactics are strachted off your list now. 1) rule person out as being a "lover" of someone 2) compare/insult them by referring to them like being someone else on the board. Youre on a roll...im just waiting for the distorting of the name, how about JVG Magic? but to see your point about resting starters, however resting starters doesnt mean squat is the subs get blown out of the ball game when they are in. Games can get out of hand quickly when you have turnover machines on the court and what couple of minutes "rest" the starters get could easily get completely negated because when they do get back in they could be at a disadvantage. now you know how i feel when i read your arguments nice back handed compliments. yup, controlled and precise offensive execution and great defense has never and will never be a system for winning championship.
LOL - yes, still wondering where that precise offensive execution was in the playoffs last year, I will give you great defense though. Still waiting on JVG to prove he can win a championship with ANY team. Wake me up when it happens ok? DD
i dont have to wait for jvg to prove that those philosophies work. they have been proven by others, in all team sports.
