First time I read Kerry's statement, I immediately thought that he was referring to W. Oh well, if Kerry loses his slim chances of getting nominated again in 08' for this, good riddance.
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You know what's really pathetic is that basically a slip of the tongue (some would call a bushism) would warrant the president to call a press conference this evening calling on Kerry to apologize for something that bush does on a daily basis. And basso you should be ashamed to try and make a big ol' something out of nothing with this thread.
Does anyone actually believe it was a slip of the tongue? How naive. Kerry is the most arrogant politician in recent memory. He's an elitist. What he said today was totally IN character. He wouldn't be lashing out the way he has if he didn't feel that he stepped in it. His reaction says it all -- he got EXPOSED for the elitist snob that he is.
Let's review... From the AP story It came during a campaign rally for California Democratic gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides. Kerry opened his speech at Pasadena City College with several one-liners, saying at one point that Bush had lived in Texas but now "lives in a state of denial." He then said: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." -------------- It is obvious to anyone that is not clouded by bias that Kerry was talking about Bush and his less than stellar education and the debacle that is Iraq.
once again, a politician tells the truth, and he gets slammed. its no secret that the military is marketed towards kids who either can't get into college or can't afford it.
Remember that heroic soldier Jessica Lynch? She only joined the military because she wasn't qualified enough for the cashier job at the local supermarket.
After tj and basso deploy to Iraq they'll be qualified to sniff Kerry's jock. After they have saved soldiers' lives under fire they can criticize his comments on military matters without looking like feeble twits.
Let's get this straight: John Kerry says that if you don't get educated, then you get 'stuck in Iraq.' Then instead of apologizing, he launches into a full scale attack on all Republicans and the strategy in Iraq. 1) John Kerry voted to authorize the use of military force in Iraq 2) John Kerry then voted against funding this force ($87B) 3) John Kerry has laid out no plan for Iraq, only empty criticism 4) John Kerry owes our troops an apology, instead of playing word games 5) Remind me, who is dividing our nation? The guys sticking up for the troops (Republicans)? Or the guy insulting them, then launching attacks against our leaders? Seems obvious to the rational people among us...
Wow. Another case of taking the right stance at the wrong time. Where was this 2 years ago John?? In either case, it is amazing how clear his comment is in context vs. just reading one sentence/watching some clip clearly timed to come in and go out at the exact moments.
Ok, he's an azz, and could have said it in a better way, however, its true... They have the GI bill to help a soilder get an education, After he serves...if he could afford college, he probalby wouldn't enlist, IMHO...
Except that's not really what he said. There's an amazing thing called context...look it up. for what? Bush and the administration were lazy, uneducated and didn't do their homework...and got us stuck in Iraq. Well somebody ought to. So? I can be for the legalization of mar1juana yet still be against a specific form of that legalization without being a hypocrite. Someone could have been for the use of force in Iraq while at the same time being against the specific funding, use of that funding, size of the funding, scope of the funding, etc., etc., etc. And he should lay out a plan at this point because....? You need to focus less on what Kerry's plan is or isn't and more on what the administration you support is doing, what their plan is, and why it sucks and is failing. Moreover, the criticism isn't empty...it hits home. American troops are continuing to die in Iraq when many of us at home don't understand what we're fighting for, why we're doing it in Iraq, how we expect to be successful, what the end-goal is, etc., etc., etc. pot...kettle. What's next, making fun of Michael J. Fox for having Parkinson's or critizing a fictional novel with some explicit scenes for actual attempting to portray real-life events/cultures...how about attempting to discredit a single, young black candidate for going to a Superbowl party where there were Playboy playmates who, gasp!, might have been white. Well...who is hurting more Americans, no and in future generations? The administration who has no plan for withdrawal, no plan to make the situation any better, no plan to reduce the increasing number of troop deaths each month, no plan to counter the increasingly apparent ill-effects of the current "war" in creating new generations of terrorism, no plan to curb global warming, no plan to fight for new science and research to cure diseases, no effective plan to properly educate our young, etc., etc., etc..... or, the guy who ran for President once, and lost, and was mostly forgotten, but whose 1-liner has been taken out of context (hope you've had time to look this word up already, if not come back after you have) and then been asked to make an "apology" by the current administration, including the current President himself, who, apparently, is so busy doing absolutely nothing else that he's making an issue out of it.
The Democratic Party needs to do itself a favor and figure out a way to shut up John Kerry. For its own good. Comments like this make Howard Dean look like a tame puppy. The elections are virtually being handed to them on a platter -- it's stupid, elitist insults like this that will cause them to end up scratching their heads again wondering how they managed to lose to those dumb Republicans. American politics really sickens me these days.
What's really sad is that I can only imagine the side of this story being broadcast over the administration approved radio, TV and internet feeds the troops are allowed to see in Iraq.
Why would John McCain, the head of the American Legion, and countless other veterans groups be demanding and apology from Kerry if what he said was harmless? Like most other lib-Qaeda positions, this one just doesn't add up... Let's see here, when you insult the intelligence of our troops, broadcast tapes handed you by the insurgency, stump for increased privacies and protections for terrorists, and trumpet every piece of good news for the terrorists' cause (and bad news for the American cause), how again are you rooting for America in the War on Terror? DOES NOT COMPUTE http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/31/204-10312006.html INDIANAPOLIS, Oct. 31 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The National Commander of The American Legion called on Sen. John Kerry to apologize for suggesting that American troops in Iraq are uneducated. "As a constituent of Senator Kerry's I am disappointed. As leader of The American Legion, I am outraged," said National Commander Paul A. Morin. "A generation ago, Sen. Kerry slandered his comrades in Vietnam by saying that they were rapists and murderers. It wasn't true then and his warped view of today's heroes isn't true now." While addressing a group of college students at a campaign rally in Pasadena, CA., Monday, Kerry suggested that they receive an education or "if you don't, you'll get stuck in Iraq." "While The American Legion shares the senator's appreciation for education, the troops in Iraq represent the most sophisticated, technologically superior military that the world has ever seen," Morin said. "I think there is a thing or two that they could teach most college professors and campus elitists about the way the world works. "And while we are on the topic of education, why doesn't the senator and his comrades in Congress improve the GI Bill so all of today's military members - reserves and guard included - can achieve the educational aspirations that the senator so highly values?" Morin said. "The senator's false and outrageous attack was over-the-top and he should apologize now."
I dont know what you heard but I am watching the news right now and that is what he said. He was not in any way referring to Bush. It was a dout comment. No wonder he was not elected president in the last election. The guy is stupid.
Except the words you speak and what you say are two different things....which is why when someone asks you what you said, you don't always respond exactly the same way, maybe you iterate something different, maybe you say it a completely different way. It's the whole point of context. Are those the words he spoke...yes. Is it what he "said"....no. He was in the middle of a series of digs against Bush. He used You instead of Bush...big deal, I do that sometimes, too... "Hey JZ, what do you think about so and so....?" "Well, when you do [a] and you say which results in blah blah blah...you end up being a dummy" I can tell you I've never done that and expected a response from the guy I'm talking to as if I'm actually talking about them...that wouldn't make sense. As an aside...this is also why it is okay, to me, for Bush to be "Stay the Course, Stay the Course, Stay the Course" and then all of a sudden not be "Stay the Course" - because surely the words "Stay the Course" never meant, stay in Iraq forever doing the same unsuccessful things. There is irony in it coming from Bush, of course, but it makes sense.
What a ridiculous interpretation. A laughable conclusion. Regardless of your spin, is it any better if John Forbes Kerry was insulting Bush as opposed to the troops? Bush is the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces. He is the ultimate troop.
Well, Kerry himself says that's what he means. Or do you seriously think it more likely Kerry meant to go up there and make fun of the troops because that would help him, the Democratic party, our troops, anything....how exactly? Since it is so clear to you what he meant, please tell us. What did John Kerry mean to say, and why did he say it? I assume you're enfuriated with Bush no longer being "stay the course" then, right? Yes, if the troops are fundamentally sucking, someone should say so. If Bush is sucking, someone should say so, especially people in power. If John Kerry can't insult George Bush, who can?
Bush and Kerry are both douchebags, and this is all meaningless politics. There are far more important things going on right now. I'd be happy to see them both run out of town, and we'd probably all be better for it.
