Kerry was just able to look a little deeper at the situation than you seem to be able to do. The reason why more volunteer is because other opportunities were denied them more in other avenues and career opportunities. That is what Kerry had the real problem with.
In keeping in the spirit of the kind of stupidity that you and your friends are succesfully lowering this dialogue too -- I am forced to conclude that Foas thinks that blacks and hispanics should serve as meat shields on the front lines because they are stupid poor minorities whose lives have no value. Congratulations Faos, mission accomplished.
Army General ... "....the all important, first attack wave, which we will call 'Operation Human Shield'" Chef ... "Hey, wait a minute!" Army General ... "Now keep in mind, Operation Human Shield will suffer heavy losses! Battalion 14? Right, you are 'Operation Get Behind the Darkies!' You will follow Batallion 5 here and try not to get killed for God's sake!"
I was just posting it since people were speaking of Bush's grades at Yale and Kerry around the same type grades. Actually, I was posting it to show how ridiculous it can be to base how smart someone is on grades from that long ago. Kerry is obviously smart and has been very successful. Bush has also been very successful and I think is smart. You have to look at what has been done since that degree (such as you mentioned Kerry's JD). At this point, in their life I don't think their grades that long ago are that important. There have probably been lots of leader that didn't make all A's.
You really think so? I think to call the Iraq war a "C" would be highly generous; in terms of what it was supposed to accomplish, it gets a D or an F.
I just remember people making remarks about the grades of Bush, but not Kerry's. If they went to the same school and the grades were very much alike, only makes sense to compare both of them. Of course, that article didn't come out until after the election so couldn't really compare I suppose. I see no reason to punish democrats for what Kerry said. Also, why should republicans that had nothing to do with the Foley deal be punished? There are republicans that weren't even in office, I'm not going to punish them and I'm not going to punish every republican in office now if they didn't even have anything to do with the Foley situation.
I do think he is smart, much smarter than people give him credit for.... Some people act like he is below average in terms of how smart he is, but I just don't buy that.....he was smart enough to get where he is today, etc. People talk about the way he speaks, but I think he does much better than most people would in front of those size crowds. There are plenty of highly educated people with Ph.D., etc that aren't good public speakers. You may not like his policies, but I still don't think that means he isn't smart. I don't feel like arguing about how smart he is since I've never met him to know, but I certainly don't think he is "dumb" like many people seem to think he is, just my opinion.
I fall into the camp that doesn't think he is dumb, just lacking in intellectual curiosity. But I don't think his intelligence had near as much to do with him getting where he is today as his powerful connections did. Every business he ran, did poorly and then only with help from James Baker and other connections was he able to escape the business with money. He hasn't been successful in most of the projects he has engaged in as President. He has been successful in getting elected.
When will Bush apologize to the Troops!? The thing that gets me, which Keith touches on, is that to believe that Kerry insulted the troops, you have to be, in essence, saying that you are too stupid to understand what Kerry was talking about. It is a strange tact to take, but Faos, TJ, Burzmali, and Basso can take it if they wish.
franchise... I just think he is far from dumb or below average like some people think that he is... Even if someone doesn't think he is really really smart, I'd think they'd at least think he is above average. Even if he was average, I still don't think that would qualify as dumb unless you consider 50% of america to be dumb. I don't think most actually dumb people even try to run a business and I don't think they'd have what it takes to win an election. When I think "dumb", I'm thinking well below average and I don't buy that since I think he above the average intelligence level. You can argue about where he falls in the above average level, but I just think he is above average. But it's pointless to argue about, it's almost 2007. Pretty soon people wll be worrying about 2008 election.
I am in the Bush is dumb category. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Kerry is all there, either. Nor do I think that everyone who has been handed things all their life is dumb. But Bush, I'll put in the dumb category. Just my 2 cents, though.
Kind of random, but what percentage of people would you define as having intellectual curiosity. Do you think the average intelligence person does, everyone except the very dumbest, or what?
I actually think Bush is smart, but I think he has almost no intellectual curiosity. He has had every opportunity to learn far more and end up far more knowledgable than he has. He has had no interest in learning, but that doesn't mean he isn't smart.
I just wish more americans would use their intellectual curiosity and go out and vote. It's election time, wish more woudl vote.
I don't know the iq of Bush or any politican. Just think that he is a smart guy, but we've never met most of these people so we cant' really say exactly how smart they are for the most part. I just get tired of hearing that he is dumb, because I really don't think he is "dumb". People can argue about how smart or dumb his policies are or things he has done in office, but I don't think he is actually dumb. In society in general: On the topic of intellectual curiosity in general, that is one thing that annoys me. Some of the smartest people I know, have no desire to really learn and waste their intelligence.
The tens of thousands who are dead because he wasn't smart enough to figure out that running iraq wasn't going to be a cakewalk would beg to differ. I will tell you what is obvious and can't be disputed: he wasn't as smart as he thought, and the results have been tragic and disastrous.
I think some of the dumbest may have intellectual curiosity as well. I don't know what percentage have intellectual curiosity. I think it comes in degrees. Most have a larger degree of it than Bush does. Most people with all the advantages Bush has had would have had more interest in at least seeing other cultures, and would have done some travelling. Bush had done none before becoming President. Many would have gone to many different places and been curious about multiple different world perspectives. Most people would have done more reading, studied more about govt. especially if they had decided that they wanted to go into that field.
Exactly. For some reason he holds his lack of intellectual curiosity up as a desirable quality. So much for the old drive to do better and be better is a good thing. Now it is about making those that have done less and can't do more feel better by boasting about the President's own lack of knowledge seeking.
