TRAJ, I know. I read your post afterward, more clearly. LOL. Also Jeff, Nice post, man. I know you much better now. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
Faith has very little to do with corporal punishment in the classroom. There are people of many different faiths who believe that spanking is ok and many who do not. I'm sure there are plenty of atheists who believe that it is ok and many others who do not. My family is VERY conservative and they were vehemently opposed to corporal punishment. By the same token, there were kids in my neighborhood whose parents were far from Christians who took the belt out at any opportunity. To suggest the school system is going outside of the boundries of their rights to inform parents when they spank a child is silly. I would definitely want to know if my child was subjected to that because I, like my family, am opposed to it for my children when and if I choose to have any. There are many who would argue that corporal punishment at school interferes with the parents' ability to discipline their children. As for in the home, that is a matter for public debate. To sugget, however, that Christians believe in spanking children is a VERY broad generalization. Like I said, there are plenty who believe the opposite. I don't think that society is singling out one religious belief as wrong when it says corporal punishment is wrong. I think society or the govenrment is trying to single out the act of violence (or perceived violence). Plus, this is something that changes with the times. It used to be considered perfectly ok to slap your wife or hit your kids if they weren't doing what you asked. Societies have allowed the sale of family members, for example, into slavery. Things change. ------------------ AAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!
Totally agree. However, that could go either way. Conservative AND/OR liberal briefs could be negated based on the beliefs of those sitting in power. That is true of any situation. ------------------ AAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!
Just to clarify, is that a shot or you saying you understand what I mean? Smilies or rolleyes help so much in these situations. ------------------ AAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!
Why should it be open to debate Jeff? If I, for example, think it proper to whip my child, then I should have the right to do so. I am not saying giving your child a black-eye is proper punishment. But whipping them, on the tail, for something they did wrong. Yes, it should be okay. Also, I really don't think that you understand my whole post here. Social Services gives children the number to their office or hotline when a child goes to school (and not to the parent). They tell the kid that if such and such happens, no matter how small it might be, to notify them. Social Services then comes in to judge whether or not the household is up to their standards. All this action was not for a black-eye in many cases, but for a regular whipping. (And children have been taken away from their parents for this, believe it or not.) ------------------ I am an invisible man.
No man. I really liked that longer post. I do think I know you better. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
I know what you mean. I don't agree with your stance, but that is for you to decide with your own children. On social services, I understand your point and I agree they can be overzealous. There is no question. My parents ran into similar problems as teachers. There are so many problems in families and so many children being abused that teachers and social service people do whatever they feel is necessary to prevent further abuse. It is difficult to weed out serious abuse cases because nither the kids nor the parents come forward often to report it. It usually takes a neigbor, teacher or social worker to find out about serious abuse cases. It works the same way in any criminal case. In general, I agree that parents have a right to punish their children. I think there is a fine line between what is acceptable and what isn't. However, that is not for me to decide for anyone but myself. ------------------ AAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!
That's what I thought. Sometimes, it is hard to tell on this board. By the way, I do admire your conviction to your beliefs even if we don't agree. My beliefs are important to me too. ------------------ AAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!
Working at home makes the phone calls worse. I get AT LEAST 10 solicitations every single day from credit card companies and other people wanting to sell me something. In the mail, I get no fewer than 3 pre-approved credit card mailers every day. What an incredible waste of PAPER!!! ------------------ AAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!
This was a gem. The anti-Christian views of some on the board could not have been summed up any better. ------------------ NOTHING BUT .NET CLUTCHCITY.NET
Max, To what have you taken offense? I read over the posts and did not see anything too terrible. There were a few jokes, sure...but nothing that I saw as bigottry. Even if "Jew" replaced "Christian." I would genuinely like to know...I am not defending myself or anything because I did not take part. ------------------ Whitey will pay.
i don't know if I'm included in that "some" but if I am then I have to say that my anti-Christian views are in direct reaction to the anti-gay views that i've experienced from many Christians, including members of my own family. I'm not saying all Christians feel this way but certainly the most outspoken ones do. like Jeff, I was raised a Christian so it's a little different than being prejudiced against a group of which you haven't had any affiliation. regardless, if I've wrongly offended anyone in this BBS then I apologize. ------------------
You know, I am sorry too if I offended anyone. I have nothing but the utmost respect for people of all faiths and I hate the notion that I did anything to make anyone feel as though I don't. Sometimes, I can come off as a rather pompous ass and I hope I didn't do that this time around. I still have a lot to learn. ------------------ AAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!
Since I was the main reason this thread grew into a theological debate or whatever, I feel the need to respond. I know I do not have any ill will for christians, or intolerance of them. I know I was not at any time in this entire thread insulting the religon as a whole. I was defending my humorous post from, as another of my posts said, Christian backlash. I spent most of my time defending my spelling, and explaining that I was making a joke. I did this at the expense of the people, the posters that reacted to me, not the religion, nor their religion. In terms if intolerance, I do have one. It is an intolerance for closed mindedness. I will not EVER support ANY institution that tells people they are sinners (for lack of a better word, and this includes most religons, and some forms of government). Homosexuals are cool with me, they are normal people, what makes them bad?? People who have premarrital sex have done nothing bad, people who eat pork, or drink alcohol are not evil. I am pretty sure that most Christians, and Muslims, and Jews etc. are not strict with their religion. These people are cool with me. They belive in some rules. they generally look at things with an open mind and make THEIR OWN DECISIONS. It is the people who are over zealous. The people who beat their heads till they bleed when the ayatolla died. They come to my house and try to convert me, and if I am not interested in THEIR salvation they tell me im gonna go to hell. What is that all about?? Specific beef with Christianity: I hate that Christians are given stays of execution for "finding god" in prison, while a black man who finds Allah is perceived as more of an evil than before?? I cant stand racists and I cant stand ignorance. THAT is the kind of intollerance I suffer. So when people in this thread try to say that I gave Christians an unfair shake, no I did not. They try to say I was intolerant. well I never insulted them, but was immediately attacked. I just attacked THEIR apparent intollerances, and hopefully through this I made them think. I know it made me think. Lets just remember, I didnt send any of you a video tape, and I never would. Nor did any organization that I belong to send you anything. Learn for yourself, and think for yourself. peace, and i mean it ------------------ Hanta-Force Paintball www.hanta-force.com [This message has been edited by The Voice of Reason (edited April 02, 2001).]
Let's just be glad they actually made the Jesus videos this time around. I seem to recall that the people who funded Ed Wood's Plan 9 From Outer Space did so in order to raise money to make a series of movies about the Disciples. I'd rather get a religious video than have another Plan 9 released on the world. ------------------ Houston Sports Board
I have never been offended here before. I have been angry and emotional at times about some of the things I've seen posted. But never truly offended. As a Christian, I have to say I'm offended by a lot of what I've read here. Quite frankly, I shouldn't have read it at all. But the idea thrown about that I'm somehow stupid because of what I believe in from a theological perspective is offensive. So is the notion that Christianity has been a hindrance on the world. These sorts of attacks would be scoffed at by most of you if you were to say the same thing about any other religious group. Substitute Judaism for Christianity in those lines and you'd have people screaming bigotry. But it's OK to say those things about Christians, I suppose. I am deeply disappointed in what I've read here. ------------------
Christians have been so persecuted in this country, I really feel sorry for them (and I am one of them). ------------------ www.swirve.com I think my w**** is dead.
