(Jerusalem Post) US ready to strike Iran on Good Friday

It can't go both ways. Either the people are fed up with the theocrats, but they can't get rid of them, or the people are able to get rid of them, but aren't fed up with them. I don't know about you, but I have heard about the people of Iran being fed up, wanting to change the government, the government is bad but the people are good, etc for years and years. If the people were fed up with the theocrats and they could get rid of them through voting (Supreme Leader included) then it would be done by now. Something in there is bullsh!t, be it the ability or the desire of the people to change the government. So, we can live in a world where Iran continues to have a government like they have now, or some outside force can change it, but I have zero confidence that the people of Iran are going to be voting a secular moderate into power under the current system in any of our lifetimes.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that Saddam Hussein was regularly elected with over 99% of the vote.

 

You would'nt be creepy floyd by any chance? they majes has no power or real power in keeping the supreme leader. the IRGC military force is keeping the Supreme leader in place. as for the majles members being voted by the people, the securty council chooses the majles members who can be put up for election. anyone with a view against the supreme leader is refused and cannot be putup for election to run for the majles or congress. nice try buddy.

 

People want to get rid of them, but they cant. the mollah's will kill millions if they have to. just look at the womans day fiasco. about 4 thousend woman went on a peacfull protest and they were beaten and raped and arrested. some were shot. in 2003 the younger generation revolted and they were put down with insane amount of force. in iran the mollahs will notlet go of the power without bloodshed.

 

Why do you do that? Whenever anyone challenges/disagrees with your assertions, you start screaming out "Creepy FloyD!!!" or "Mullah Lovers!!!" or whatever other cheap slogan of the day in an attempt to discredit the other poster, instead of arguing based on the merits.

FB is now Creepy Floyd? Are you kidding me?

Here is what I think: you're not interested in a 'debate' around Iran, you're merely interested in spewing your propaganda without backing up most of your assertions, which is what a lot of 'dissidents' tend to do about the regimes back home (see: INC with Chalabi and the rest of the crew that manipulated us into attacking Iraq by outright lying about their WMD program). You rarely, if ever, back up your assertions with a legitimate source.

You have the same approach as Creepy, the only difference is while he was a staunch supporter of everything the current regime does, you're disgusted by them. Same difference...

You're not the only 'qualified' authority on Iran, feel free to state your opinions but don't take cheap shots at other posters when they argue otherwise.

I thought we had been over this in the past and were going to put these 'tactics' behind us, but now you're resorting back to the same silly 'debating' tactics in an attempt to silence anyone that disagrees with you on the topic.

Enough of that garbage already!

 

I don't think they will get rid of the Mullahs through election but more likely through a peoples power revolution. Its also possible that as new generations of Mullahs come up their might be a change in their views.

The problem with having an outside froce come in and change their government is obvious. Just look at Iraq and Afghanistan.

The US can ill afford another costly occupation and as many have noted Iran is much larger than either of those countries.

 

That's because I am Creepy Floyd.

 

I know that you have an Iranian background, but from what I've read it contradicts what you've said. The Assembly of expers which are directly elected by the people are the one's who choose the supreme leader, not the IRGC military force.

I found this about it on the internet.

Furthermore I found this.

Since the council of experts are the ones that can remove the Supreme leader, and are elected directly by the people, it seems that electing council members in favor of change would be the most hassle free method of removing the Supreme leader. It may not be entirely possible, but it would be the least bloody.

A long time ago I was Sleepy Floyd, and some other screen name that I can't remember. But for a long time I've been FranchiseBlade. I've never been Creepy Floyd.

Because I post information showing how the Supreme leader could be replaced via voting and elections, doesn't make me Creepy Floyd.

 

Elections in Iran are far different than those in IRaq. To compare the two is comparing to two totally different things.

It could be that the people are fed up with the Supreme leader, but not enough to elect officials that would replace him, or people are too fearful to run on a campaign of removing the Supreme leader. It could be that they are only elected every 8 years, so it is a long time between elections, and would require a significant shift in elections to have a move drastic enough to remove the Supreme leader.

 

One thing to consider, though, is how the candidates are selected. It's one thing to have a free vote, it's another to have eligible candidates. For example, the way the current Pres got elected is that the most popular reformist choices were simply not allowed to run.

 

True, but I've seen that they have to be educated and knowledgable and take tests, and I don't doubt that is how the candidates could be weeded out to have only pro supreme leader candidates run, but I just hadn't seen that much to indicate that's how the council members were chosen.

I wouldn't doubt it, though. I also mentioned that running a public anti-Supreme leader campaign might get it shut down , and ruin their chances of getting elected as well.

But at the same time the candidates aren't always the same shade of the same color, so there is some diversity. I would just hope that the diversity would branch out far enough to have some genuine dissent in the mix.

 

For what it matters, Debka backed up the initial report:
http://debka.com/headline.php?hid=4007

Evan

 

Glad I have Friday off. Must stop off at the store for more beer while I watch CNN all day.

 

you are a brave man. i can only take about 30 minutes of the news and then the blood pressure gets dangerously high...and dont even let me see an Anna Nicole story

 

To paraphrase John Paul Jones from The Song Remains The Same, "Friday, why that is tomorrow!?"

 

Tomorrow is the day.....Iran's nuke program is going down !!!!

Unless of course all this is bunk.



DD

 

You have to wonder if Ahmadmanejad released those sailors out of fear of this actually happening.

Last I heard, his local approval ratings weren't doing too well and he supposedly did this as an attempt to create a distraction.