I don't think anyone cares about his raw stats. Just his ability to spread the floor as an outside threat. The key is to maximize team efficiency, and in our system, 3 point shooters are the key to that maximization.
Yeah honestly. It seems like the people critical of Lin have little to no clue about what 8 million gets you at the PG position in the NBA today. (And no, rookie contracts don't apply.) Lin's stats seem to be matching those of Lowry and Dragic. And this is despite his coaches seeming to have little faith in him and him playing in a system not necessarily designed to maximise his strengths. To me, when a poster starts asking Lin to produce all star level numbers to justify his 8 million dollar contract, it's a clear sign of someone whose prejudice has won out over their sense of rationality. Not that I don't think he can't produce like an all star. I think he can, but he needs the coaches to trust him more and put him in the best position to succeed. But hell, maybe people like myself will be proven wrong sooner rather than later. Maybe forcing Lin to be a spot-up shooter for half this season has made him add that facet to his game and if he continues draining threes like he has been, (50% last few games 11/21, that's surely not sustainable? But even 35-40 would be stellar.) then Mchale might be the one having the last laugh, whether he intended it to be the case or not.
Stopped reading after saying his numbers are close to Lowry's. Lowry is having a much better year. Lin is still young. He is good with the ball. He needs to get better off the ball to take away opponents ability to sag off him when he doesn't have ball. I have high hopes for Lin as he has great penetrating skills. I am hoping the last six games are what he is and not just a hot streak.
Goran Dragic 14.3 ppg, 6.4 assists, 2.9 rebounds Kyle Lowry 13.1 ppg, 5.8, assists, 4.6 rebounds Jeremy Lin 12.5 ppg, 6.2 assists, 3.6 rebounds All three players average about the same minutes, shot attempts as well. What's your definition of not close? I already argued this with someone else on another thread. Jeremy Lin playing of an injury, being expected to have Linsanity #'s from the get-go, and having to play off the ball (basically learning it) is on par with Prime Lowry and Prime Dragic. No one in the league has more pressure than Lin to play great. He's 4 years younger than both players, and I ask why they would still want Lowry or Dragic over Lin. Either one of those guys replacing lin on this team, won't take you to the finals. Why wouldn't you want a guy with greater potential and at a younger age? Jeremy Lin will have a good 2nd half that will separately him from these two players. You can bookmark it. Watching the last few games, I seen some explosiveness that I haven't seen from him in a long time.
Lin reminds me of Wade. I don´t know exactly why but i think its his Defense ( good blocking guard and steals guy) and his first step. He also has a jumper where body balance is real important and when he shoots of the dribble it reminds me of Wade too. He is deadly in the fast break but doesn´t have that freakish athleticism Wade had in his prime and still partly has. He can finish at the rim like Wade, not as good though. Wade of course still has a better crossover, variety of shots and faster second step maybe. But Lin is the better playmaker. Not saying Lin can be as good as Wade in his prime but he reminds me of him. Like Wade in more of a point guard body and focused more on playmaking...
I have the feeling that Lin, and the Rockets, do poorly against teams with length - teams that can block shots, and deny passing lanes.
Lowry. Less minutes. Less fgas. Less turnovers. More points. More rebounds. Much higher total scoring percentage. Slightly less assists per game. On per minute basis, Lowry even beats Lin in assists. Lin does play passing lanes better. Lin does have youth, but numbers not close to Lowry's this season. I like Lin's potential.
Maybe you should just stop reading period. When does something stop being a "hot streak"? Lin is young and will be inconsistent, but he has undeniable talent and court vision -- these are part of his skill set, and not something only seen in a "hot streak".
Why not? Just because you want to ignore young players who perform similarly to Lin as a way to artificially make him look better, doesn't mean these players don't exist. There have always been set prices on rookie contracts. Obviously not lottery contracts, but mid-to-lower 1st round picks get dealt as part of salary dumps all the freaking time. Players like Bradley, Teague, Maynor, Lawson, Bledsoe, Aaron Brooks, to name a few off the top of my head drafted in the range where picks are available for the right price(monetary wise). Just a week ago, the Cavs add about $12mil for a top-5 proteced pick. I still have hope that Lin can improve, especially with a healthy offseason to develop his game. But if he stays the same for his entire contract, then his is ridiculously overpaid.
He has an average salary so if he stays the same as he is now (which is an average player) then he isn't overpaid.
How do you look at a ppg difference of 0.6 along with the other stats, and say "numbers not close"? Lowry hated McHale and didn't want to be here... Get off his cocckk.
His salary is not average. MLE is average. 8 Million is getting paid. He is playing like a 5 million dollar player. He needs to shoot like he shot last night on a regular basis to be worth 8 million.
<br> You are incredibly dense. I was referring to this as far as your reading comprehension goes: I'm talking solely about defenders closing out here. <br> <br> You for some reason bring up what I said about his drives not resulting in much. logicalflowofconversationnotevenonce.jpg <br> K, you can post all the word of mouth you want to. Apparently that's good enough for you. Twice (Utah game) and tonight I have shown actual footage of defenders closing out on him from the very first shot. I think that's what you fail to understand. It has nothing to do with him shooting lights out. You must not have very much faith in Lin's first step. I do. The whole premise behind this stupid "defenders do close out on him" argument is that Lin's skills do allow opportunities every game for him to drive by his defender (when at the 3 pt line) and make something happen. That was my original point all along. And you are denying these opportunities are there. That's "rich". You keep bringing up "basketball sense" blah blah blah. I highly doubt either you or torocan have played ball at any level or else this concept of defenders instinctively trying to get a hand in your face when you're open at the 3 point line no matter what would not be so foreign to you. How's that for basketball sense? And I actually have footage to back it up...soooo....guess that makes you wrong. There's this part of basketball that isn't in statistics or synergy databases. No matter how disciplined you are, some things are just reflexive. Maybe not for every single play, but there are mental lapses that create opportunities. Again, that was my original premise. As for his drives: This is false. There have been many times this season where his drives resulted in absolutely nothing positive. But, on the other hand when Lin becomes aggressive and gets it going like in the past 10-15 games or so, they result in something meaningful more often than not. I agree to that. And I actually think Lin is very dangerous when this is the case. I just want to see it more often. Once again, you can post all the circumstantial evidence of word of mouth that you want to. But that doesn't change the facts. As if Bill and Clyde (the guy who at one point said Rafer Alston could be an all star) are right about everything. Until you post actual video of Lin just standing at the 3 point line completely open with no defender budging whatsoever to contest his shot, you have no point. <br> Regardless, your holier than thou condescending little snippets are getting rather annoying so I think i'm done with this discussion. I already have the facts on my side. So in your words: "Believe whatever you want to, nobody is going to stop you."
8M even if Lin has current numbers is hardly "ridiculously overpaid". And he is not staying the same -- even last night the consensus was that Lin and Asik were getting better even on a weekly basis. And for having been here 10 years without contributing a dime to the forum, you can be sure that you have not ridiculously overpaid.
Something ceases to be a hot streak when it becomes representative of his average play. This is his second hot streak surrounded by a lot of bad play. I don't dismiss his penetrating skills, but I don't overlook that his shot, specifically in catch and shoot situations, comes and goes. This makes him one dimensional and much easier to guard when his shot isn't falling. In my mind, Lin is an allstar with a good three point shot. Without it, he is very inconsistent and it is tough to rely on him. While he is good penetrating, I don't think he is good enough to be a good player without improving shot.
28/9, over 62.5% from 3 (5 for 8), 62.5% from field (10/16) "on a regular basis to be worth 8 million". I won't add any observtions -- people can judge for themselves.
