JLin is much bigger and stronger than he was out of college. I think it's highly unlikely that wall and westbrook have made similar gains in that same time period. Also, there's no information on methodology. How is "agility" defined? How is it measured? Just taking into account lin's strength gains in the past two offseasons, that bam score if re-measured, would be very close to the others. I put no stock in in the agility metric until I see what it is and how it's measured. Therefore, Lin is stronger than the other guards, just as fast or faster, has a vert. in line with the other guards, but has a lower "agility" score, which we have no methodological information on. TL DR: any difference in athleticism between Lin and the other guards at this point is vanishingly small; especially with Lin's rigorous consecutive offseason workouts and esp. given Rose's ACL injury. Westbrook has max vert of 36.5"; photos suggest Lin's is essentially identical as of last season.
Rose doesn't need a running start to get as high as he does though. Rose can also do it off one or two feet. Same with Westbrook. He can elevate off one or two feet, too. Simply put they don't have to try as hard. It comes easier to elite athletes like those two. Doesn't necessarily make them better players, or better PG's, but if we're strictly talking about athletic explosiveness, Lin isn't quite at their level. And I don't even like Rose or Westbrook.
I wouldn't be surprised if JLin's stats at the break were around 18.9 ppg, 8.3-8.5 apg. I think this team can win low 40 games, I'll say 42.
Do you have any idea of what max vert means?; Rose HAD a max vert of 40"; will likely be lower now, post surgery. Westbrook's is 36.5". Of course, those guys were doggin' it for pre-draft measurements and they actually jump 4" higher cuz you say so.
Lin is not exactly trying that hard here, on a pickup game some 4 years ago. he can jump higher now <iframe width="640" height="480" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/CmIuHdeL_vk?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
I don't know if you get this, but Rose and Westbrook are in just about every instance RUNNING towards the basket before they dunk. No, they DON'T camp out under the key and dunk off lob passes. Where do you come up with this crap?
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What I don't get is why are there so many posters trying to prop up Lin's athletic abilities? They are what they are. Trying to put him on the same class of athlete as Westbrook or Rose is futile and stupid. Pointless. I see no reason to do so, none at all.
Rose runs the LENGTH of the court before each dunk. Capital letters DO NOT equal evidence, much less a convincing case.
So you put more stock into your "eye test" than into professional measurements from a company that is paid to measure athlete performance as a scouting tool for NBA teams? Everyone assumes Lin is the ONLY player that improves over the offseason. Sure his numbers improved, but most likely so have everyone's. Can anyone find #s for Irving's vertical? Player | Vertical | BAM Power Rose | 40" | 89 Irving | ? | 84 Wall | 39" | 80 Lin | ? | 62
And yet you have no evidence to support your claim that the other guards are superior athletes. FAIL.
I concede the point about running starts. Though I'm on the right track, perhaps I overstated it. However my main point still stands. theaesirsfinest stated it perfectly.
Rose's athleticism will drop significantly due to his ACL tear. I've seen ZERO improvement in Wall's size, athleticism, or ability since he first entered the league. You fail to post ANY information on how these OLD, outdated BAM tests are constructed. What is "agility?" How is it measured? What are the current numbers now? Obviously, you don't have that information. You cite old scores, but haven't got a clue as to how those tests were constructed or what they measured in the first place.
You don't have a point at all. The only evidence you cite is of Rose dunking. No one disputes that Rose can dunk. So you really have no point at all. What is your point?
Where is your "evidence" that Lin is an elite athlete in the class of Rose/Wall? The only hard facts I have seen are the BAM scores. Please link to your so called "evidence."
Lin definitely has underrated athleticism and he is definitely above average in that regard. But I don't think that Lin is on par with Rose and Russ in terms of there athletic ability. Like you won't see Lin posterizing people like Rose and Russ. Even Lin himself said that he isn't a freak athlete.
No, he doesn't cite a single shred of evidence. Therefore, his claim is of athletic superiority not only is unsubstantiated but contradicted by all existing evidence. Fail again.
Westbrook dunks against a defense that moves AWAY from Westbrook as he drives. Absolutely, just about any player in the league is capable of dunking against a defense that atrocious.
