Let me add to myself. His handle is not the best yet, but he has an ultra low motion center which makes him quicker than anybody to the ball when it appear to be lose. He often seems to actively create the appearance of a loose ball while dribbling, baits the defender trying to go for the ball thus committing his motions along the way, and then just beats the guy to the ball to get open. Uncanny. Risky, but uncanny. It must come from some sort of martial art.
See my previous post. Lin is ahead of the likes of Nash and Tony Parker in learning curves. If you give him the work ethics, there is no reason to doubt.
Wow - comparing Lin to Stockton, one of the GOATs in NBA, already. I agree that he has tremendous upside, but isn't this a bit aggressive?
Excellent reply! Some people will continue to bash him because they view things differently. It's not our jobs to "change their minds." But we just want to share our opinions with those who are interested.
Post of the year. One of the links shows his BAM score, and surprisingly athletically he is on the same level of Wall, Rose and Irving especially after his improved strength and vertical described in another link. Highly recommended and you should read every link if possible.
I don't have a problem with people tempering their expectations - it can't hurt. I don't have a problem with people thinking his upside is "solid", or a "good starter". Or even an average starter. Everyone has their opinions - some idiot called Kyle Lowry a "career backup", and another thought Marcus Morris had "allstar potential". Opinions are hit or miss, no matter how informed you think you are. However, I do have a problem with this: I don't believe for a NY second that people like you would have the same opinions you do now if it was Jerome Lin-Jackson -lottery pick with the THUGLIFE tattoo- putting up those historic numbers his first chance to play. Were people tempering their expectations and worrying about sample size when Kyrie Irving was drafted #1 after ELEVEN games in college? Were people throwing Lebron under the bus because he came into the league with a broken jumper? Of course not. He would improve, as all young players do. Naturally. There's "potential". But all of a sudden when it comes to Jeremy Lin its "he's turnover prone" and "he's a terrible defender"? Well yeah, no **** Sherlock he is not perfect. But with Jeremy Lin all of a sudden there is no such thing as "potential" and no such thing as the ability to improve. All of a sudden it's all down hill from here for a 23 yo kid after playing 35 games. Damn it must to be good to be Jerome Lin-Jackson.
You are the first to emphasize his ability to attack the basket in this thread. I totally agree.People say his upside to be Nash, but after watching all his games I just can't help thinking of him as Ginobili in PG's body. If you look at some of his highlights, his change of direction in the lane is Wade like with his added strength and vertical last year. Also I noticed that many of his to's happened when he plays extended minutes. In multiple games he had very good assist to to ratio until he's obviously tired after long stretches. I remember a game he got like 7 assists without to, and played all 3rd quarter without a break. Then he looks tired and commits 3 to's in the last minute of that 3rd quarter. He needs to improve stamina or coach needs to monitor it better, but considering NY doesn't have a capable backup for him it's understandable.
The funny part is that nobody talks about the fact that Lin had no training camp with this team and was learning a new offense on the fly, as a point guard, and learning how to play with new teammates and that he had to adjust even more when Melo and Stoudamire came back into the lineup. It's ridiculous the flack that Lin is getting. I've never seen a player with that little experience get criticized so irrationally.
Kinein, thanks for the links. Much appreciated. I think Lin's upside is that he will do great in the NBA. Glad he is a Rocket and we get to see him grow as a player. He has Bball IQ, great work ethic, athletic and humble with a bit of cockiness. He knows his weakness and will get better. He completely changed his shoot because he wanted to get better. He will work great with his teammates and will make them better. Really, when was the last time you heard a NBA player say he wants to serve his teammates? It's the first time I have. He is my favorite player on the team already. The Rockets may or may not have another monster trade but pretty sure Lin will be here. Wouldn't it just shock the world if the Rockets don't get DH or B trade done, thus "playing" for best lottery pick and with great playing and leadership from Lin ends up in the playoffs anyway
It is probably not the wisest thing to combat stereotypes against one minority by using stereotypes against another minority to bolster your argument.
Damn... this thread is chock full of brand new LoFs. Knew this would be coming, but who woulda thought it would've come this quickly? IMO, Lin is simultaneously overrated and underrated on this board depending on who it is you're talking to. He's got a lightning quick first step, and can shoot lights out off the bounce. A skill that not many but the elite usually possess. That's not to say Lin is elite, only that his skillset allows him that opportunity in the future. Having said that, as of right this second, he's got a ton of work to reach both that point and his ceiling as a player. We all know he's got the work ethic, but sometimes that isn't enough. The mental side of the game can be just as important as the physical aspect, if not even more so. What is it exactly that made a Jordan or a Kobe so special? IMO, it's the will to win at any cost... that killer instinct. What separates the good from the truly great is 100% trust in oneself and one's abilities. Lin has the physical tools, but time will tell if he has the mental fortitude to step beyond his physical limitations.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/s_emfmTyjmY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/I26xGNghlXw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> I'm curious what you mean by: Lin has the physical tools, but time will tell if he has the mental fortitude to step beyond his physical limitations. 1. In your closing sentence you state he has the physical tools. 2. Finishing with - stepping beyond his physical limitations. 3. Asking if he has the mental fortitude to step beyond his limitations. During the Lockout ~ -- The lockout gave Lin extra time to build himself an NBA body. Working with the folks at Sparta Performance Science in Menlo Park, Lin gained 12 pounds (15 pounds of muscle), improved his standing jump by 3 1/2 inches, his running jump by 6 inches and his lateral quickness by 32 percent. You would think someone in the Warriors' organization would have noticed the diff. Day in Life of Jeremy Lin - Pre-Linsanity <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/CLzrLXQIbwM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> I'm still wondering what it means by "time will tell if he has the mental fortitude" to step beyond his limitations. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/J-bKHVzZsYs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Jeremy Lin - Teammates and Coach about Lin 02.15.2012 2:23 - LoL moment, Tyson Chandler - "I didn't know he could dunk" <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/AbGJM5yAWQk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Lockout condensed schedule, playing a handful of minutes to playing 40+ minute games day in and day out. Former teammates comment on game winning shot in Toronto *Mental fortitude much? 1:10 <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/hq5oAMyDmvU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> According to certain people - Lin had a terrible, awful game. But he dropped 16 pts in the 4th despite it all - by attacking the rim and drawing foul, after foul - not discouraged by his first 3 quarters. Forcing the 76ers to send him to the line. Nailing free throw after free throw after free throw - after free throw. after guess what - more free throws. * See link below http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=7064211&postcount=216 Mental Fortitude, Killer Instinct.. hmm * <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/8iWWFk6TX18" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> * Knicks had not beaten the Lakers since February 2007, 5 years. Lin in what is to be considered his rookie season: ---- in his 3rd game at start ---- going from 12th 14th back of the bench ---- having been cut from Houston during Christmas ---- About to be cut only a few days before this game by the knicks ---- never playing more then a handful of minutes was starting on the loudest brightest stage in the NBA ---- going against the NY Lakers ---- without Carmelo Anthony ---- without Amare Stoudemire All of this including the video confront the interesting points.. Mental Fortitude? Killer Instinct <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/2f8CXf_E89w" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> NY Times - Lin's legend grows with 38 point night http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/11/s...e-knicks-continue-to-roll.html?pagewanted=all -------------- Jeremy Lin Highlights vs Dallas Mavericks (Career high 14ast) Mental Fortitude? One little noted fact is Lin did not like that the D-league was focused more on personal stats instead of winning games and teamwork; the following is a direct quote from Lin after the Mav game. * The guy may have the light of 10,000 cameras on him but he is a team guy through and through, growing together and winning together. Going to say it again: #1 Greatest attribute - attacking the rim. * from anywhere everywhere, to create opportunities for his teammate or himself. through a 3pter, a jump shot, a reverse layup, a lob, a dunk, or forcing the other team to send him to the free throw line. *pigeon-holing him into a cast iron (job) ignores his intangibles and ignores how dynamic of a player he is. ** It ignores how he improves with more and more games, more and more experience. He has all throughout his life risen to various challenges. Am I saying he is the #1 PG. No. But I'll be damned if I don't enjoy watching him prove people wrong and watching him have fun ~ Its awesome to see the fight in his eyes and see him overcome each hurdle and each step. People keep saying Chalmers and the Heat exposed Lin. What does that mean? It was his 1st game vs the team that went on to become the 2012 NBA Champions. The same team that shut down James Harden in the Finals. The same team that gave Derrick Rose so much trouble in 2011. Other teams don't play defense like the Heat do. The NBA isn't known for its Defense. Only a few teams have legitimate defense and even the Mavs attempted and failed to contain Lin (at the beginning of his time starting not even a full 82 game season, lockout, no training camp, etc etc etc) Lin is 23. Until everyone gets that - we will continue to see the same staunch cynics compare a 23 year old with only 25 games with guys who at least have an addition 100+ to 1000 games more experience then him. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/oqX2X0_W_5c" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/20/s...d-mavericks-putting-knicks-back-on-track.html Another upside people miss out on is the energy, camraderie, fun, and joyful pleasure players have playing with Lin. This is the same guy that routinely gave his 1st class seats, to D-League teammates. Physical limitations - Earlier post - ESPN Sports Science and Jeremy Lin http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=7064025&postcount=198 Intro to Jeremy Lin - for Rockets fans that are just getting to know him. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=7063993&postcount=194 --------------------------------------------------------- Pre NBA - College - great Pre Linsanity article in College. http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2009/12/15/1201646/bow-to-the-jeremy-lin-movement-b-o Eye-popping stat #3: He is 4-for-8 in buzzer beaters thus far this season ----------------------------------------------------------- That 30pts game vs UCONN? * See above posted link for full article including its own body of links and comparison research. * Killer instinct? Mental Fortitude? * Some people would say : just as they said with the ugly 76ers win that Jeremy had a terrible game - even thought he dropped 16pts in the 4th by attacking the rim, forcing the 6ers to send him to the line. * They would say the same about the UCONN game. I'll opt out of high school since I'm feeling lazy to find the posts URL links in this thread already. hehe.. this is getting too long as a addon to the discussion. Harvard St Marys Triple OT - Jeremy Lin buzzer beater. * Keep in mind he's been leading and beating buzzers since he was a little kid in H.S. - But people seem to think Jeremy Lin only started playing basketball in February. That Jeremy Lin fans weren't there in High School in the Northern Bay Area scene of California, or they weren't there during the Harvard days when JLin shirts were already being made - or they weren't there when he was with the warriors ~ etc <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/DPxeasW8L1A" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Great thoughts HorneR~ Thought I'd add to your commentary
Arthritis is different from an acute meniscal tear... U can have degenerative tears as a result of arthritis, but that's usually in older ppl. He probably twisted his knee or something.. How a lot of these injuries happen
Lmao! This my friend has to be one of the dumbest post I've ever read on clutchcity or clutchfans period. Let me start this r****ded retort by saying this, go do your fact checking 1st. I said I didn't see anything special about kyrie irving. Does he have a thuglife tatoo? I don't have a tatoo or piercing anywhere on me. In fact none of my sisters,nieces,nephews,grown daughter,mother,nor father have any of that on them,but because lin doesn't have it,I'm a racist. Yeah, that's basically what you called me. Throw it out there and talk about stockton,bird,mullin,dirk,schremp are some of my favorite basketball players ever. Nash, petrovick, and tom chambers are also some of my all time favorite players. Yet, because I believe the undrafted lin wil be a solid starter,I'm a bigot,right? Ok, believe what you may,but none of my opinions have anything remotely to do with race. If your of asian heritage, maybe you're ultra sensitive and have found your next hero,and that's cool. I have no athletic heroes. I recognize players for who there are and race,color,or creed never even seeps into the picture. When I called lowry a career backup, I guess I did so because he didn't have Thuglife tatoo right? When I said draic had all star type of potential, I guess he got the Thuglife tatoo as a combo with the dynex television,right? Gtfo with that bs.
