Jeremy Lin out 2 weeks with grade one knee sprain (UPDATE: Will return vs. Portland)

Bev's greatest skill is defense, and they are using it the best way they can. How are you getting from there to the idea that therefore they are hiding Lin's defense?

 

Then the better comparison should be made using stats between this year Bev's def vs. last year Lin's def, since now Bev is starting and face other team's starting PGs. And this year's Lin's def vs. last year's Bev def. If I remember correctly from someone's stats post. The two are very similar in def numbers. Honestly I think Bev is just slightly better than Lin on def. I think Lin's a better team defender, but Bev is a better on ball defender. Bev's clear advantage is his low TO, but that is mostly due to he's not trying to create anything.

 

I have found Torocan's thinking very logical. He is asking for concrete data to support any hypothesis you assert. This is totally reasonable and adheres to our western scientific thinking based on the logical empirical approach to acquiring knowledge.

 

Wow, total lack of reading comprehension. What I actually said in my post was...

In other words, you're implying that I was saying that they were comparable using that stat, when in fact I said the complete OPPOSITE. However, I guess you were in such a rush to attack me that you couldn't be bothered to actually READ what I said.

Of course, had it been unclear to you, I DID further clarify my position in yet ANOTHER post (which it seems you couldn't be bothered to read)...

I'm sorry, but the only person I see doing a disservice to the community at large is You taking what is a fairly simple statement that a stat being used has inherent problems, pointing out that without corroborative stats it's not convincing, and even if you *wanted* to use it that way, it's not pointing out anything unique about Beverley's performance.

In case you missed that...

1) The stat is skewed.
2) The sample is small.
3) Even if you take what it says as gospel, it doesn't say anything meaningful to imply that Beverley (or Lin) is defending at an All NBA level.

However, you saw that as an attempt to "prop up" Lin? How on earth does an examination of a Stat "prop up" or "tear down" Anyone?

I'm sorry, but all you've shown is not only a lack of reading comprehension, but a rush to judgement, and what is clearly a personal bias against my posts.

IF you are going to attack something I say, then attack what I actually said, not some imaginary version of what I said to further your own personal worldview.

Then maybe we can engage in a meaningful discussion.

 

Curry scored 22 points when Bev guarded him last. Curry's average is 23.8 points. Parker's average PPG is 17.8 . He scored 27 point when Bev guarded him last. Thus, Bev had no effect on Curry and Parker blew Bev away. I saw both of these games and Parker blew by Bev at will. The help defenders were needed to stop Parker. Do you remember that Parker scored 12 points in a row when Bev. guarded him. Curry also went by Bev. rather easily, but not as easily as Parker. Thus, Bev was a liability guarding Parker, and was just average guarding Curry.

 

My feelings as well.

 

Just looked at more Parker data . His 27 points for his last game against the Rockets in which Bev guarded hin was his best point production for this year. Bev. simply couldn't touch Parker. BTW Parker went 13-27 against Bev. For an impressive ,481 feild goal percentage.

 

I don't think there is much debate between larsv8 and torocan. One is very good with strawman. That is all I will say about that.

But, I see a great debate between meh and torocan. Meh came out with a great observation. Torocan came out with an even better one.

I found their exchange a joy to read.

I have a feeling that Torocan can win debate over 99% of people anywhere with his/her masterful use of language, logics, and research skills.

But sometimes, one needs to be careful not be confused with great ornate debate performance with the truth.

 

Whatever you say chief.

 

Really.

How many shots does Tony Parker usually take to get those 17.8?
What is his usual Orating and TS%? What was it vs. Beverley that night?
How many turnovers does Curry usually have? How many vs. Beverley that night?
How did Curry perform in the PY vs. Lin defending him?

 

27 points on 27 shots is not impressive.

I don't know if this is your first time watching the NBA but you would not find many people who sees efficiency in that stat line.

For comparison from the top scorers:
Durant averages 29 points on 19 shots.
Lebron averages 25 points on 15 shots.
Melo (Notoriously inefficient scorer) averages 25 points on 21 shots
Paul George averages 25 points on 18 shots.
Harden averages 25 points on 16 shots.
Kevin Love averages 24 points on 18 shots
Steph Curry averages 24 points on 18 shots.

In fact, Parker averages 18 points on 14 shots, with a 53 FG%.

This is not even looking at TS%, which is a far better indicator of how efficient a player is at scoring. Either way, Beverley did a good job, and you are reaching hard by saying Parker had an "impressive 27 points on 27 shots" night against Beverley.

 

Jeremy practiced today FWIW

 

Gotten to. Take a brisk walk little fella'

 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Jeremy Lin back at practice today; his first since injuring knee nearly two weeks ago.</p>&mdash; Jason Friedman (@JasonCFriedman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JasonCFriedman/statuses/410485521756860416">December 10, 2013</a></blockquote>
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He's a Knicks fan who only supports Lin. He's not selling me on an unbiased opinion. There are so many different stats out there now that anyone who is even mildly articulate can formulate a decent argument.

I have said many times he's an intelligent guy. His motives are obvious though.

 

Good news

 

Parker was the sole reason the Spurs came back in that game. I only watched the game once so I don't remember who was guarding Parker during that stretch where he was scoring at will and literally brought his team back with in striking distance from a 20+ pt deficit. Who ever was guarding Parker during that stretch got flat out torched. No amount of stat crunching can suggest otherwise. If it wasn't Beverly, then more power to him.

 

You do understand that a someone can being playing good even great defense and get scored on frequently right?

 

gene18 literally does not post on this board unless it is to trash Bev. You guys are wasting your keystrokes.

 

If you disagree, feel free to formulate an opposing opinion with statistics to back up your assertion. This is the nature of discussion and debate.

So, as a mildly articulate person, where is YOUR decent argument? Where are YOUR Statistics?

Discounting the value of statistics without offering an opposing view that can be substantiated in a quantifiable fashion is just an opinion, nothing more. Unless you're arguing that statistical comparisons hold NO value... is that the position that you're taking?

Stats are just numerical extractions of events. If my arguments are erroneous, then SHOW us a compelling argument that your interpretation of the data is correct. SHOW us compelling data sets that support your assertion.

In the world of modern Scientific methods, a position is taken, then subjected to scrutiny and counter arguments. Where are Your positions? Where is the supporting data and arguments?

Other than screaming from the roof tops "OMG, he's biased! So it can't possibly be true! Ignore what he says!", what are YOU contributing to the debate?

You believe I'm biased. That implies that you are NOT biased. So show us your unbiased argument, logical reasoning, data and conclusions. Convince us that we are in fact biased and deluded in spite of reality.

Or maybe it's just easier to sit back and attack someone's character instead of their view point?