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Jeremy Lin is a joke!!!!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Dei, Nov 12, 2012.

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Is Jeremy Lin a joke?

  1. Yes :)

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  2. No :(

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  1. Beardaholic13

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    I just want him to be in the 6th man role again , because his role gets simplified bigtime , which in turn makes him much more effective.

    This team will not have a chance without Lin playing much better then he currently is, which is what makes me frustrated even more.
    I know how close this team is from winning a championship and paying jeremy Lin 8.4 mill is IMO a big reason why we are probably a year or two away ( When Lin leaves)
    I just hope he somehow turns things around but i just cant see it , and its not just because his recent run of bad games , iam not a short-sighted fan.
    Iam basing this assessment on what ive seen from lin since hes been here , which is pretty much every game.
     
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  2. Zboy

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    Lin's career numbers against OKC as a Rocket:

    FG% -----36
    PPG -----7.8
    3Pt% ----21
    A/TO ----1.5

    Those aren't just bad numbers. They are ATROCIOUS.

    If you think that last year's playoffs are hurting his stats, here are his number from the 4 games this season alone...

    FG% -----29
    PPG -----7.0
    3Pt% ----15
    A/TO ----1.0

    The numbers this season are WORSE!!! :eek::eek::eek:

    They do not even tell the whole story (all the bad decisions he makes on the court)!!!

    Just the numbers alone are alarming.
     
  3. J Sizzle

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    Obviously Harden/Mchale/racism's fault
     
  4. WinkFan

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    I'm not too sure about using Ray Allen, a guy who is 38 years old and has played 46,000 minutes in the NBA as a model of consistency. Maybe a few years ago. And were you looking at overall shooting, or just 3pt shooting.

    Lin's overall shooting has been good this season. His TS% in 69th out of 221 players who have played 20 games at 20 minutes/game.
    http://bkref.com/tiny/UjgmQ

    His assist percentage is well down from last year, though.

    A lot of overall metrics(PER, WS/48, WP/48, PIE) rank Lin as an average to slightly below average player.

    As for the recency issue, Lin's TS% has dropped to 51.6% in 22 games since the AllStar break. He's shooting 39% from the field. That's a significant period of time.

    Players can have slumps, and they can also have hot streaks. Take for example Paul George, who as we all know is the 3rd best player in the NBA, and significantly better than James Harden. At leas we used to know that, before went back to being Paul George.

    Maybe Lin isn't in a slump. Maybe everything that happened before was a hot streak. Lin's only played 2.5 seasons. I guess time will tell.

    As for the psychological aspects of the Lin drama, I think you and many others are reading too much into it. I'm not surprised, though. You have to make it more complicated if you don't want the Lin fans to be the bad guy.
     
  5. Liberon

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    Lin can't keep a handle on the ball with the defense gets tough. Based on the fact that he can't even break down the defense for a rim shielding layup like he used to leads me to suspect that he's yet injured again and probably will not be available in the playoffs. Guys body is just not NBA made.
     
  6. DaDakota

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    If you watch him playing against pressure he is looking desperately to pass the ball, he knows he doesn't have the confidence in his dribble, or he doesn't have confidence in it.

    DD
     
  7. Liberon

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    Exactly, he ain't going to help the team this way. I've never seen him so deliberately passive like that and not be able to get to the rim at all these days on most occasions. Trading away Lin, Asik, and if need be Parsons for Rondo, Courtney Lee, and filler big would have been the best option for this team to contend this year. Remember it only too the Celtics and Heat 1 season to reach the Finals.
     
  8. torocan

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    Who said Lin Fans weren't part of what you call "the bad guys"? The reactions go both ways when it comes to extreme reactions. That is what makes the reactions interesting. On the one hand you have the typical hero worship of celebrities, athletes and individuals that fans identify with, and on the other end of the spectrum you have those that react negatively for various reasons.

    It's really not dissimilar for example to the rise of let's say Wham in the 1980's. There was a rise in mass popularity, this then drove a counterculture reaction (people who couldn't stand them even though they didn't really dislike their music), and eventually it settled down over the years to a point where people could view the actual music produced more objectively.

    It's this form of extreme polarization that is the most interesting as it tends to happen more with the most popular figures, especially when those figures become symbolic in some way with touch stone sociological issues.

    As for his actual on court play, if you accept players go through hot shooting periods and slumps, then the 2.5 years of play being similarly in line to the current season tends to point to a level of "consistent inconsistency" that gravitate around a mean. Pointing to a smaller sample of 2 months actually makes less sense than to look at an entire season of performance vs the 1.5 previous years of performance. It makes no sense from a statistical standpoint to point to 2 months of data vs 2 years+ and say that the previous 2 years is the statistical anomaly. It is FAR more likely that the previous 2 months are either part of the actual distribution or an anomaly than the other way around.

    That said, a 2.5 year sample size is too small to say for certain whether it's a static state/plateau or just part of the normal growth curve since human development tends to curve over significant periods of time, especially when it comes to skills development.

    Now whether Lin eventually stabilizes as a PG version of Nate Robinson/JR Smith, ie a streaky player that is high impact but ultimately unreliable as an upper tier starter, or those variations stabilize around a more predictable range of performance is something we'll only be able to tell over a longer period of time.

    I suspect what makes Lin most frustrating as an athlete to the fan base is that he does show very High peaks of performance periodically. The ultimate question is how close to those peaks will his eventual performance settle.

    If like some athletes he manages to settle closer to the higher end, there is the distinct possibility of him eventually becoming a fringe all star/all star. However, it's also likely (and probably moreso) that he becomes like the vast majority of athletes that enter the NBA -- high volatility players, ie a player who can sometimes produce transcendental performances but ultimately is unable to replicate that high level of performance on anything resembling a consistent basis.

    Either way, whether he becomes a high volatility player or a high level consistent performer, I personally believe that people who believe he will wash out of the NBA are mistaken.

    Even if his final form is a high volatility performer, there is always the need on teams for high impact "sparks" off the bench. It is not an accident that frustrating players like Nate Robinson and JR Smith continue to find places in the NBA.

    Teams are willing to stack multiple "high volatility" players on their rosters, simply for the reason that they are cheaper than the highest level starters, and because if you have enough of them there is a reasonable chance that you can exploit those high performances to give a team a significant edge.

    Anyway, just some more stuff to chew on.
     
  9. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Absolutely. Lin is a role player. He played his role. He did what was asked of him.

    He didn't explode or score a ton of points...but he attacked the defense, scrambled it up, and didn't turn the ball over, and did what was asked of him defensively.

    People may not be happy with his performance. Heck I am sure Lin isn't happy with his performance. But his job is not to score 20 points. His job is to run the offense. And he did that last night.

    I'd rather Lin run the offense against a great defensive club - we put up 110 pts last night - while scoring 8 points himself and 1 TO, then have him put up 25 with 5 TO's and everyone else scoring less than the usually do.

    If he does what he did last night every night, I will be satisfied with him as a role player. It's not great, but it's good enough.
     
  10. King1

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    Lin couldn't guard his own shadow
     
  11. CometsWin

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    Lin getting schooled by Brooks. Geeeez.
     
  12. treyk3

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    He has been Space Jam'd. We need to help Jeremy get some talent back.

    Edit: appears as if Bugs brought the secret juice.
     
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  13. CometsWin

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    Nice steal by Lin there. Great play.
     
  14. Air Langhi

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    He has had a very good today.
     
  15. King1

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    James harden !
     
  16. deedee82

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    Andddddd we win with the contributions of everyone including those who woke late in the game. Jokes on all the fans on the board before the come back.
     
  17. Karolik

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    Neither can canaan, call it as you see it.
     
  18. gene18

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    You didn't wait to the end of the game.
     
  19. Joe-House

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    Lin played ok against the worst defense in the league
     
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    10 pts 5asst by AB were on Lin this game. The rest......
     

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