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Jeremy Lin is a joke!!!!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Dei, Nov 12, 2012.

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Is Jeremy Lin a joke?

  1. Yes :)

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  2. No :(

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  1. khyberjones

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    Jason Kidd had plenty of 2-10 shooting nights and high turnover games in his career, even in his prime. For a PG to succeed as a PG, you have to let him play as a PG. The Rockets coaching staff and their fan base haven't figured out that what they really want from Lin (when everyone is healthy) is a shooting guard's role, yet they still judge him on PG standards. He has put up plenty of quality PG games when he has had to play that role, and then when they shift him to the bench or tell him to play off the ball, they wonder why they're not getting 7 assists a night.

    I think Lin is starting to get that when he plays as a true PG it doesn't earn him more minutes on the court. The Rockets see his value as limited to scoring pop because he can get his own shot. That's not how Lin sees himself. He sees himself as PG first who runs an offense, pushes the pace, gets into the paint, and gets his teammates involved and also has combo abilities to take over a game offensively based on the circumstances. I hope Lin just comes in to score and forget about assists, setting tempo or exploiting other match ups against his teammates. The guys he usually plays with on the floor can't finish anyway.
     
  2. Dei

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    They really don't.
     
  3. xtruroyaltyx

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    No because I don't trust him to be a consistently good player and I think there needs to be a shake up there.

    And I'm glad you aren't in the organization either...Far too emotional like an old lady.
     
  4. shastarocket

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    ^ Please don't compare Kidd to Lin
     
  5. T-Yao

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    Oh you're funny guy. LOH
     
  6. shortfuse3

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    No I'm not saying that. I was thinking of a hypothetical situation where we HAD to have a current player as the coach, and who I would be most comfortable with coaching this team. Out of all the current players I think Bev would command the most respect.

    I've a huge supporter of McHale and think he's our best coach since Rudy T.
     
  7. Razsan

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    And you jump to conclusions about Lin like a little girl.

    BTW - other than Harden who on this team is consistent? Everyone has bad games and even Howard has shown he can stink it up up rookies.
     
  8. xtruroyaltyx

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    I don't think it's extreme at all.

    It's not that Lin is inconsistent. It's that he's a detriment. It's one thing to not be doing good...A completely different thing to be a burden...

    People say...Look at this player, look at that player...They're messing up too...

    Yeah, everyone makes mistakes, but most of the other players will bring something positive to the game.

    Too often Lin has played and not brought anything positive at all + making negative plays. He's not some great defender...Assist guy...Scorer....

    He's wildly inconsistent and he often makes negative plays.

    Lin needs to have some of his minutes taken away.

    Garcia had his minutes taken. Casspi. Dmo at points. TJones gets benched. Even Harden has been sat down. Parsons. Asik. Hamilton.

    Lin should not play regardless of how bad he's playing. He's not Harden, Dwight or Even Parsons. He's not established any level of consistent good play to where you're like "ok...He'll get it back"...

    I don't know that. He needs to be pushed. Have minutes reduced and maybe that'll light a fire. But it can't be much worse than what he's bringing to the game right now.
     
  9. xtruroyaltyx

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    You going to compare Lin to Howard?

    Howard is far more consistent than Lin, and even when Howard is sucking he is still a better player than Lin.

    You make comparisons like a blind monkey.
     
  10. jonstarks

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    Jeremy Lin is fine and he's not going to be put into a position to emulate linsanity.

    -He doesn't get 15-16 FGA per game (when he does, always seems like he has a great game) or avg nearly enough mins.

    -Team just doesn't run many P&Rs (Rox offense always seems like, PG holds ball at the top, wings go threw weaves to see if they create any mismatches...PG doesn't see anything he likes -- goes ISO)

    -Mchale has shown that he watches his mins like a hawk now and has knee jerk reaction time to sub him out. (I think putting Bev back vs OKC was a mistake. He was way too aggressive, yea Lin has a stupid turnover when he pick up his dribble and threw it to Westbrook, but its just 2pts, playon, he created a few great open dunk shots for Asik+others (who just blew a few 2ft bunnies)

    It's gotta be difficult to play under a coach like that... if he misses his first 2-3 shots now...that dictates whether he gets 12 mins or 30+ mins. It seems like he rarely gets the opportunity to redeem himself unless someone is in foul trouble.

    And not sure if it's me, but Lin seems to play better the longer he's in the game...Like it takes him a bit to get a feel/rhythm of the game, then you see that confident dribble/mindset (which usually takes up to the 4 qtr)

    If I had to grade him this yr (so far), he'd get a C+, B- (he actually has very good numbers as a starter only)... I believe ppl are very critical of him because of his contract... I think he's playing well for a 5Mil/yr player... now next yr if he's playing like this his PER vs $ value would be very bad... that's the problem is that ppl are taking his entire contract and saying "oh he's not worth a 25mil contract" that's that fair, cause you don't know what he'll do next yr.
     
  11. chenjy9

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    While I agree that Lin seems to play better once he settles in, he needs to understand that he does not have that luxury on the Rockets or any team with an ace that needs the ball to dominate. What this means is that either Lin will always be inconsistent on a team that is not desperate enough to run the offense though him or he needs to learn how to get in a groove faster. I honestly can't think of a team that barring injuries, would run an offense through a player like Lin. That is just my personal opinion of course. Come 2 seasons from now, we will be able to finally get our answer.
     
  12. xtruroyaltyx

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    I don't care about his contract really. I care about the role he is supposed to be playing on the team.

    that said, What Lin is actually being paid should not matter to the fans at all. Lin counts 8 mil against the cap regardless of what his actual take home salary is.

    8 mil against the cap...Sixth man role...He's not doing nearly good enough...In fact...He's often in the negative...
     
  13. xtruroyaltyx

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    And that's the problem.

    He needs this, he needs that, if we did this or that...
    A lot of things people are saying Lin needs he will never get on a contending team.


    Honestly, I think Lin's biggest issue is confidence and just doing dumb things.
     
  14. chenjy9

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    Fans care about that $15M because it hurts his trade value. Asik is much more valuable to teams than Lin and his contract makes him hard to trade.
     
  15. xtruroyaltyx

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    Ok.

    Well, at this point in time I don't care about his trade value. I care about him being paid to be a major contributor to the team and being played in that role, and not fulfilling it.
     
  16. yummyhawtsauce

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    Possibly, but coaching isn't all just about who wants to win the most or intensity. Having the ability to coach as well is part of gaining that respect. If Bev doesn't know anything about coaching - then there would be no respect there. Although, I can see Bev as the defensive coach...I'm just saying there's a lot of factors that goes in for a good coach.
     
  17. AvgJoe

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    Are you saying Harden's 3.7 TOs are all from passing? :eek::eek::eek:

    Are you saying Bev's 40% FG is because he sucks at shooting?

    Look, if you think about it, if Lin just throw up a forced shot everytime he jumps up in the middle of the air, there wouldn't be this talk about he has "nowhere" to go. We would be just talking about his poor choice of shots.
     
  18. TheJet

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    Again, my point was that athletes can sometimes play above their "average" play level and occasionally into elite level. That doesn't make them elite. I think Jeremy is a slightly better than average PG that has had elite streaks of play.

    People that expect Linsanity as the norm are going to be disappointed more often than not.

    People that expect awful Lin as the norm are going to be encouraged more often that not.

    It's all about setting your expectation level and what you consider the "norm" or mean average.
     
  19. Razsan

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    I'll respond to your comment about time. Lin DID have his minutes reduced. He was a 25-30/gamer until his recent slump. He then went to 15-20 (7 straight games of 22 or less). He looks like he's coming out of his slump...benching him is knee jerk just like the 50-40-90% talk was to his hot start.
     
  20. yummyhawtsauce

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    I think there are 400-500 players in the NBA. ESPN ranks Lin somewhere between 70-100 or so.
     

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