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Jeremy Lin is a joke!!!!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Dei, Nov 12, 2012.

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Is Jeremy Lin a joke?

  1. Yes :)

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  2. No :(

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  1. goyao11

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    I dont think Lin ever pouted, at least to my knowledge.

    I don't disagree with your take. I think its unfortunate that the Rockets have decided to go this direction and I believe it is detrimental to the team that they refuse to incorporate Lin in a way that optimizes everybody's talent and cap hit to value ratio. Especially now that Lin is not going to be moved, it is in everybody's best interest if Lin is utilized properly.


    But they are the professionals, so I will defer to their understanding. Maybe Lin will play better in his new "role" or maybe he'll get traded and play well elsewhere. Who knows.
     
  2. downbytheriver

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    No... I'm implying there's an eency, teeny, weenie bias because of nationalistic pride. Every country has it, but none act as aggressively voyeuristic as the Chinese. Relax and let his game do the talking, not your keyboard.
     
  3. Zboy

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    Lin better get his **** straight.

    We are entering a crucial stage of the regular season and we need him to contribute something.

    Our bench is hot garbage as it is.
     
  4. Joe Gent

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    I would usually agree, however this particular player lives in this hidden from stats realm in a way that is very unique and needs this type of attention. And I have to point blank disagree with those stat less points that you mention. You could apply this to one of his more rare "on point" nights if anything.
     
  5. goyao11

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    The only things I'm sure about are Death and Taxes.

    But in all seriousness, everything we talk about is "projecting the future." I see Bev as a good talent in the same way that Avery Bradley is a good talent. He'll be a fine niche player and can have a few good shooting games along with his scrappy defense. He'll win the hearts of fans with his hustle and "bigger than his size" plays.

    To compete in today's NBA means stockpiling playmaking talents and defensive bigs to stay go head to head with Miami, OKC, etc... I'd much rather take a chance on a player with possibly elite playmaking ability (even if he's a little rough around the edges and inconsistent at times) than Avery Bradley. Lin's ceiling due to his vision, size, penetrating ability is just higher than Beverley's. That may change when I see Beverely displaying such potential, but right now he just looks like a good scrappy player who shows up once in a while offensively.

    (Also, I don't think pointing to injuries at inopportune moments is really an argument. Anybody can get injured at any time, and its not like Lin wanted to get injured to avoid playing, haha.)
     
  6. Liberon

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    And this is the delusion. Lin has worked hard on his shooting in the off season and in practice during the season but it's just not there. To be a pg in this league, especially off the bench is you have to be able to score automatically to be considered great. This will open up the lanes and allow him to facilitate better as well. But Lin is not that player and probably will never be. He's turning 26 this year and that's that.
     
  7. JLFan

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    Not when you get 6 shots playing 25-30 minutes. tell KD to shoot 6 shots and see if he can get 40 points, i guarantee if Lin had 20 shots a night hed be averaging 30 a game too.
     
  8. Doktor Mndbndr

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    At best, he will receive 30 minutes at SG or combo guard, in whatever spare minutes - let that reality sink in. That's the best he can hope for this season.

    If he does not stabilize his game, that role has zero chance of increasing next season.

    If LOFs want to see him play well - to be immodest - forward my posts to him. And I have plenty of other free consult he needs that I did not write. Because he has an intricate piece of mental machinery that can be easily managed, if you know where to put the wrench and which loose screw to tighten. Before I get tired of reading guys like Jeff Green and go back to lurkerdom. Cuz I cannot read all this LOF r****dation without wanting to walk into traffic.
     
  9. davek

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    Liberon you talk like you know what is actually going on. I hate to say this but you're pretty delusional yourself.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    Lin reminds me of the guy at the gym that is a good scorer and sees the floor pretty well, but like half of a second too late - his vision is just off a smidge allowing people to close out and get a lot of steals or turnovers off of him.

    If folks aren't looking the passes are complete - but he doesn't put enough Umphhhh on them to get there when they are looking.

    He just needs to speed up his vision or passes......which may never happen TBH.

    DD
     
  11. Dementium

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    Stats back this up actually. Lin scores about 1.3 pps, which is in the realm of the top point guards. Well this number may have fallen a bit with his recent slump.
     
  12. goyao11

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    If Lin cannot be a point guard because he is inconsistent with his jumpshot, then Parker and Rondo would have washed out of the league ages ago and Patrick Beverley needs to go back to Russia ASAP.

    Lin is effective and in rhythm when he is handling the ball and playing enough minutes - everything else in his game flows from that aspect. I find the argument that "he is what he is" to be difficult to swallow when Lin is so obviously misused over the past slew of games.
     
  13. bobloblaw

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    Objectively Lin has slumped for the last month. There is no longer a justification such as "he gives the bench a spark" for him being behind Bev. Anyone defending his recent play is delusional. The turnovers are mind boggling. He makes entirely too many risky passes (i.e. the attempted alley oop to Howard last night) and often looks confused driving when he can't get a shot, desperately passing the ball in whichever direction he can.
     
  14. Liberon

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    Lin is a combo guard and don't have the handles of Parker and Rondo or even Pat Bev.. Dude is 6'4" in sneaks and that might be an issue but at the same time he's not as athletic as guys his own size that can dunk in traffic or shoot the big jumps shots over bigger defenders. This is J.Lins last chance to prove himself at this level due to his race and other politics and that's sad but if he don't show up these Play Offs, it's over.
     
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    Don't know if posted already - interesting to hear Morey's take on Jeremy's turnovers:

    Daryl Morey, GM Houston Rockets

    I would add a few points to the many good ones already made here:

    Many of Jeremy's turnovers are charges. These are the best turnovers to have as not only do charges mean that you are being aggressive as a player (when good things often happen) but also turnover charges are not "live ball" turnovers where teams get a higher expected value possession the other way. For example, in our opening Detroit game, Jeremy had no "bad pass" turnovers. They were all charges or off the dribble. Compare his lack of any bad pass turnovers to his 12 "high quality" passes in the game (passes he made that set up high percentage offense for others)


    This leads into my next point that Jeremy's passes were the best in the league last year in the percentage that led to high quality offense. This is a fancy way of saying that when he makes a risky pass it is usually for a high reward so his bad pass turnovers, when he has them, are not as bad as for other guards as his avg possession efficiency remains higher


    Finally, most young guards who are going to be very good start as high turnover players in college and in their early seasons in the pros and get better throughout their career
     
  16. durvasa

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    What's the date on these quotes?

    The context-specific turnover stats are available for Lin this year (nbawowy.com).
     
  17. goyao11

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    I hate to bring up the whole "Lin is faster than John Wall" point again, but I don't think anybody should say that Lin is a slouch athletically. Lin brings strength, size, and speed to the table, but he does lack a little in the vertical leaping and lateral quickness department.

    Lin's handles are not as tight as Rondo and Parker for sure, but I don't think you can compare it to Beverley who basically dribbles around the perimeter and drives maybe twice a game in straight lines. Lin's handles are not perfect, but they are more than sufficient to run an offense.
     
  18. jordnnnn

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    Jesus. You mean to tell me we have a Durant on our team, but we just decide not to use him fully?

    It is official. Lin fans have overtaken Laker/Kobe fans as the most delusional fan base in recent basketball history.

    That you truly believe that Lin could score at the same rate as Durant given the same amount of shots is far and away one of the dumbest things I have heard from the Lin groupies.
     
  19. Dementium

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    I don't get why you are so negative about the guy. I think even the most objective person will see hes had a difficult time and role with the Rockets but hes still contributing to the team.

    The guy is one of the top drivers in the league and has a point per shot of 1.36, which is even higher than Chris Paul. Now I was surprised too and I am not saying hes better than CP flop but there are some skills hes elite in. To say that he still needs to prove himself speaks volumes about your agenda.

    Hes in a slump right now, but every player goes through it. And we are winning despite his slump. I can only imagine how scary we will be when he breaks out of his slump.
     
  20. JLFan

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    its over? lol you make it sound like hes still playing for a contract. Maybe for someone like Parsons itd be "over" but Lin will be getting max pay next year for the first time so i dont see anything that says over yet. Its more, Lin will suck it up this year rest and be insurance if anything happens to Beverely or Harden. And looking at how all of McHales prevopus pgs are now tearing the league, Lowry, Dragic, hell even AB got game, I dont see Lins career ending anything too soon.
     

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