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Jeremy Lin is a joke!!!!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Dei, Nov 12, 2012.

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Is Jeremy Lin a joke?

  1. Yes :)

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  2. No :(

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  1. Liberon

    Liberon Rookie

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    Here's what really what makes Beverly put Lin in high heels more than anything else. Beverly or any other pg doesn't just dribble into the paint not knowing if they are going to score or be able to pass back out in the fractions of a second timing. Lin does this bs way too often. Lin can't get to the hole or misses way too often and or picks up his dribble while spending seconds looking for some one to pass it to. The stupid no look head fakes are annoying as well and is just wasted energy. How many of those have been picked off?
    Lin needs to shoot better, because a 1 or 2 in this league is and will always be a dead eye shooter on the move or spot up. That is just the way it is. If not he won't ever be an NBA player. How much this guy has regressed is unbelievable.
     
  2. Man

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    Don't disagree on Lin specifically, but on comparison to Beverley.. if you watched the game yesterday, Pat wasn't having much success either offensively. He did step up in the 4th, but overall, he was having a poor game (offensively & defensively) as well.

    In general, Bev's offensive game is lacking and does not help with getting our offense going. In that regard, it's helpful to have Jeremy come in and run things.

    Now, for sure, Lin's recently been in a slump, and our team has had several changes in the meantime, so who knows what the deal is..

    I would not discount the things we don't see behind the scenes or in huddles that Jeremy does to help the team to get closer to successful performance. That being said, in general, our team needs to improve.
     
  3. jdhu

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    Clearly, Lin is an NBA player. He might not be a good one, or a starting-caliber NBA player, but well, is he in the league?

    Lin has some nice skills and "potential." He makes some good, intelligent passes, but I agree with you, too often he drives with his head down, gets caught in no-man's land, and then is stuck with no dribble and has to make a tough pass. A better shooting touch would help draw defenders close to him, and then maybe he would have better passing lanes. In general, Lin makes 1-2 passes a game that awe me, and make me hope that he can reach his potential.
     
  4. CometsWin

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    What I don't understand is for someone supposedly so quick, he has trouble beating his man off the dribble which is why he gets stuck with nowhere to go.
     
  5. jdhu

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    He doesn't look "quick" to me (relatively speaking). He admits to not being that athletic (again in relative terms). I think Lin's main advantage is his size, which is pretty good for a point guard.
     
  6. Penetrate&Creat

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    Lin needs to work on his handles.

    Was watching the LAC/OKC game yesterday and I saw CP's handles, I was like omggggg hollly ffffffff.

    I'm not saying Lin should get on CP's level, because CP is a special kind of talent, but CP's handles make Lin look like he's an amateur.
     
  7. SevenMinuteAbs

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    Yeah i remember i wanna say like 3 or 4 drives that bev made yesterday that were just horrible he didn't even penetrate or get in position to make a good jumper.

    The thing about jeremy that really trips me out is that he's put up 38 points multiple times in his career. 30+ even more times but he plays really badly sometimes. And a guy like Goran has never put up 38 although he's the better player. I guess Jeremy has a really high ceiling but a low floor.
     
  8. archinkent

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    The way I see it, he can beat his man off the dribble, but then when the help defense blocks his path to the basket, he picks up his dribble and either turn the ball over or shoot a low % fadeaway shot.

    He needs to learn from Harden and just attack the rim regardless and/or try to draw a foul.
     
  9. theangrycanary

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    the problem is that lin drives at all.

    Watch harden.

    He will iso and go to the top of the key. He stands there dribbling. If there isn't a good opportunity to drive he will pass it.

    I've seen Lin drive into five guys all by himself. He randomly drives. Thats his problem. Point guards usually already know whether they are going to fake drive and kick it out or go hard to the hole before they drive. Lin tries to decided while he is up in the air. Which is a bad idea.

    I think Lin's biggest problem is that no one seems to be coaching him. Seriously. All the mistakes that people make on this team. They make the same mistakes night after night and no one seems to tell them to do anything differently.
     
  10. kvnzhangyay

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    I feel like Lin's problem is that when he drives he does too recklessly and without a plan on what to do, which is why he gets caught midair with nowhere else to go,etc. He's fast enough to beat his man, but he doesn't know what to do when met with a secondary line of defense.
     
  11. Karolik

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    Scouting report is out...if he beats his man off the dribble just swarm him and he'll either lose his dribble or turn the ball over.
     
  12. tkrieger

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    Th problem is that Lin isn't nearly as strong as Harden, and hence he gets clobbered at the rim. He appears to be gun-shy as a result. (Even Harden has gotten beat up with the repeated driving to the rim.)

    When Lin was with the Knicks, when the defensive help came, Lin would shoot a floater over the help. And when the help confronted the floater, the lob dunk to Tyson Chandler....

    But with this stupid "layups and threes" strategy, it seems like the floater isn't an option.... Lin is then trapped.

    I've said it before... Lin's primary offensive strength is from his midrange game... But because this has been muzzled under the "layups and threes" strategy, Lin's game has struggled, and will continue to do so.

    It has gotten to the point where I'd rather see Lin risk being benched and play off his midrange game.... It would ironically open up his layups and three point shots.
     
  13. yo

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    What was Lin doing at the end?! Look at him in the middle of nowhere. He's trying to help, WHY?! Just not a smart player.

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  14. khyberjones

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    Lin isn't the problem. His stats speak of a guy who is an efficient scorer inside the paint, a good FT shooter, an improved 3 pt shooter and skilled playmaker. He is also rebounding well at his spot this year. He is also a much improved defender (actually more effective in head to head match ups than Beverley). His problem is that he has no clear role on the team. He has started about half the games and come off the bench for half. He is on the court with the starters and also plays with the second unit for extended periods of time. He is asked to be a spot up shooter, PG, SG, playmaker at the end of the shot clock, often in the same game. He is a very talented player. His stats aren't that much different than what Harden did as a backup in his 1st/2nd year in that role, or Parker/Ginobili early in their careers.

    Does he make mistakes? Sure. Can he go through bad stretches: Yes, but not any more than any other player in the NBA. But he has contributed far more to the win/loss column than people on this thread care to admit. The Rockets would be 6-7 games worse in the loss column but for his strong performances this season.
     
  15. khyberjones

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    Whatever dude. Did you say that when he outplayed Tony Parker for a big win and hit the game winning shot? Lin will never be able to win over a large section of the Houston fan base, even if he helps to win a playoff game or two.
     
  16. Clarinetmonster

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    This is not a great example of a game to single out Lin for turnovers - he had 6asst to 2 turnovers and Bev had 3asst to 3 turnovers. Like I said in another thread, they are PB&J, an aggregate point guard and should be judged as a uint.
     
  17. jordnnnn

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    lol you aren't gonna give up on spamming this same post around today are you?

    We get it. If it weren't for other people Lin would be 10x better and Lin at age 25 was somewhat comparable STATISTICALLY to a 21 year old Harden.
     
  18. ctry2582

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    It's true though. I dare anybody to rewatch yesterday's game and prove me wrong.

    It's basically Lin in the corner, while Harden, Bev or Parsons handles the rock, Lin gets the ball with like 10 seconds, and is pretty much asked to do something. End result: dribble into a clogged lane and gets stuck.

    At the end of the day, we've seen what Lin can do. See: last season held his own, and this season, before this slump. It's a slump. Let's see revisit this in a week or two.
     
  19. larsv8

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    It is curious how a guy from Harvard can have such a low basketball IQ.
     
  20. bmd

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    Yeah, I don't get it. I understand trying to help at first before D-Mo got there... but once D-Mo closed out, Lin should have stuck on his man.

    They needed a 3... who cares if he drives past D-Mo and gets 2 points? There was no reason for Lin to help on the drive even for just a second.

    That's why the Rockets give up so many 3's. They over-help. And it's especially ridiculous in this situation where the Suns needed a 3 and a 2 meant nothing.
     

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