but if he had developed jumpers, he would have had even better career, very likely being on the top of the greatest center list w/o any question, just like MJ. he is the best since he is good at everything. why is shaq still considered as one of the best centers w/ his limited bball skills? coz he knew and coach knew how to use his strenght to dominate paint. i remember this board has debated who was better btw yao and shaq until yao retired.
So he used Shaq as an example. But it's me who made it too complicated? O...K... LOL Other than 3P shooting, Rondo is on elite level in almost every other aspect of the game. Even so, he can still go to another level if he can improve his shooting. So what's your point? Keyword is "may", meaning it's not a sure thing that he'll improve. What's unreasonable is LOFs always compare Lin to Kidd for example. Yes, Kidd is able to improve his shooting at a later stage of his career. But there are MANY MANY more players that have never improved much. Statistics tells me the latter has more chances to happen. Nothing wrong with keeping faith. Just don't state it as a fact. And don't come up with excuses after excuses when he's under performing. That's all.
the most debateable topic on this board is whether rox has been using lin in correct way. during the 7-game losing streak, lin was not used correctly as far as i believe. lin is like a general on a battle field. his achievement is not calculated by # of killings. winning the battle is the key for a general. well, a soldier is evaluated by # of killings.
agree. alot things are debateable. might hurt lin's career seeing how good he directs rox offense flow to a just spot up shooter. i won't spend 8 mils/per year to get a spot up shooter unless he is a sharp shooter of ray allen type. i can't see any chance he would be a sharp shooter no matter how much improvement he will make. keeping him as a pg and using him in a right way to maximize the investment rox put are clearly a realistic goal. when he did his stuffs and was used in a good way, he has showed he was an elite pg. remember individual #s are meaningless to a pg. wins are what a floor general should care about.
I have been really confused by your argument for much of the day simply because A lot of what you said is incorrect. Re-watch the highlights from last nights game. I don't know how you can seriously say that Lin's drives don't result anything tangible happening. In fact all of Lins drives result in either 1) A direct assist to a teammate for an easy bucket 2) A basket from Lin And yet you believe this hardly ever happens. Even Morey said that Lin is one of the best PG's at setting his teammates up for high% shots (shots at the rim & 3's) & yet you believe otherwise. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1yTL8M3ks7k 0:14 Lin drives in trasnition for the and 1 0:38 Lin dirves passes baseline to 2patt for the bucket 0:53 Lin drives kicks out to Delfino for the corner 3 2:19 Lin drives left hands lay up for the bucket 2:35 Lin drives passes to a cutting Parsons for the lay up 2:51 Lin drives is cut off by Milsap passes base line for 2pat bucket 3:00 Lin drives left hand lay up This is a break down from just 1 game.
I don't think it's about asking Lin to become a spot up shooter. It's about being able to hit wide open jumpers so defenders don't swag on him and help out on Harden or whoever. Also it would open his own game up dramatically because defenders would have to respect his shot which makes it easier with his speed to get by defenders. Having a respectable outside shot would be good enough.
What's debatable is that you think it's the coach/system's fault, while me and many others think it's Lin's own fault for playing tentatively and passively. For example, Lin himself said that if he gets going early, it boosts his confidence and he most likely will have a better game. But therein lies the problem. He lets his emotion/confidence control his game. That has nothing to do with the coach or the system.
no doubt. it definitely helps. if shaq had developed a little bit (just a little bit) of ft skill, other teams would not have used hack shaq stretagy. it would have helped his team to win more games. i remember we won one game this season (against lakers???) by intentionally fouling other team center and made him to shoot fts. he missed tons of them. eventually we won that game from behind.
Except both sides don't have any tangible proof that they are correct on the issue. It's all speculation. People want to believe what they want to believe.
Here is the Nets game for you 0:11 Lin drives passes to cutting Parsons for the lay up 0:40 Lin drives lay up for the bucket 0:55 Lin drives off the steal in transition for the basket 1:15 Lin drives for the lay up 1:33 Lin drives passes to Parsons for the corner 3 2:12 Lin drives passes to Asik for the dunk 2:20 Lin drives & passes to a cutting parsons Here is a 3rd game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tghcRTA_nJo&list=PLoDrtT-bVm_SbP76HKUFn5vCi4UDiisAQ&index=46 0:21 Lin drives for the lay up misses but draws the foul 0:41 Lin drives gets denied passes to cutting Ppatt for the bucket 1:42 Lin drives for the lay up 1:58 Lin drives in transition draws the foul 2:53 Lin drives in transition draws the foul 3:17 Lin drives in transition gets the bucket 3:25 Lin drives passes to carlos for the 3 So yeah what you are saying just isn't correct.
Kind of hard to argue against you if you are failing to even see the logical relationships that I (and other posters) have made. Anyways here's a bone for you, chew it up any way you want: You pretty much summed up my point here. Rondo plays his style which allows him to leverage his elite skills. But whether his skills are elite is irrelevant (since that is a relative judgement based on comparison to his peers or to himself). What matters is, his ability to PASS and PLAYMAKE are his BEST abilities. Both the coach and Rondo recognize that by utilizing and maximizing the skills that he is good at, the team will have increased success. To pivot off that point and compare it to Jeremy, his dominant abilities (superior abilities compared to the rest of his abilities) are PASSING and PLAYMAKING. These are his best abilities and when he is used as a PG the team plays MUCH better. I think anyone can agree when he stands around and shoots our team offense is greatly hampered. Again, this is about optimizing our team dynamic, and in the previous losing streak we went too much Harden-ball without any Lin playmaking. I could care less about what stats Jeremy Lin gets as long as the offense doesn't stagnate (which it doesn't when he handles PG duties).
Response My thought exactly. Additional thought is whenever a team has a player who does not mind sacrificing his own stats for a team win, that's laudable. Rockets has a PG who really doesn't care about his own stats but want to be played and appreciated for his strengths and not force him to become a Ray Allen type of player which he is not. If Lin's strengths are not good enough for Rockets, Rockets should just trade him. Simple as that.
Response Not to say Lin should not work hard to improve his long jumpers -- he should and he has been working hard I think.
what he said is debatable. he is a humble dude, just like yao. don't expect he will ever finger point to others. yao has never said any bad words on how jvg and rick used him, one putting him under basket and the other forcing him to play like diva. yao's never demanded either coach to do what he wanted to do. from what i observed, the confidence can't explain what he did during the last season lisanity and a game (vs spurs) of this season he dominated. how do you explain his stats so good when he ran a team w/o a superstar? you can't tell me he has a confidence switch. only thing i agree with you is passiveness. he tends to sit back if a star plays with him. i don't know and don't want to guess why. if this is the case, i can't deny he is the part of the problem but coaches and harden should take responsiblity too. they should let lin know his passiveness won't help team to win. harden should tell lin that he is pg. looks like harden was happy to take over pg position.
If he develops a 3-point shot around 40 % and manages to cut down on the turnovers a bit, he will be elite. He is already one of the fastest guys, good passer, good defender (in my opinion). Lots of potential
