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Jeremy Lin and Beverley, who fits better with the team and James Harden

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by TTNN, Oct 18, 2013.

  1. vlaurelio

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    Why is that a conspiracy theory? Some of these players have clauses in their contracts, they get paid more by the sponsors if they make it to the all star game or average certain amount of points.

    Not sure about Harden's Nike contract, but he wouldn't be the first one to do it.
     
  3. roxxy

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    It is easy to say this after fact. But during a game McHale can't tell the future can he? During a game if McHale had to bank on the lead extending with Harden running the team as opposed to Lin running the team then yes most definitely McHale would put Harden out there so yes Harden will most likely play more minutes than you anticipate. There is absolutely no guarantee that Lin will flourish as a 6th man & no guarantee that McHale will take a risk on an unsure thing considering that past experiences has shown us that McHale would rather bank on Harden over anybody else in the back court. Which has been my point all along. Some guys play better as starters & can't handle the responsibility that comes with being a 6th man. People are just assuming that Lin will be successful as a 6th man & Bev succesful as a starter. We don't know that. What we do know is that Lin has been successful as a starter
     
  4. TTNN

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    What do you see the difference of stagger Jeremy/James' play time vs. bring Jeremy off the bench?

    Jeremy could lead the second team as well as starting, just stagger Jeremy and James' play time, and that would cover all the so called "give Jeremy more space, freedom" thing.

    But we are now talking about bring him off bench, not staggering their time. So it is not the issue about lead the second team, it is not to play in the first team.

    I've said before in this thread, start Jeremy or not is not about Beverley, not about Jeremy's performance, not about which team Jeremy help the best, (he helped both starters and bench players when he is on court), it is about which offensive style the coach would like to go with, it is about whether we want to take the ball out of James Harden's hand or we want to put the ball in James Harden's hand.

    Now looks like the strategy is clear, so really not much argument there, it is coaches decision, and they think that's the best for the team, we will just need to wait and see how that work.

    Basically Jeremy got talent, unfortunately his talent hindering James's dominance on the ball, (it is not hindering James talent, Jeremy compliment James's game pretty well if he is willing to handle the ball less), thus coaches would like to maximize James's production, thus put Jeremy on bench helps that.

    In return, Jeremy got the green light to handle the ball when James is on bench, and he is playing SG, basically we will have a James' light on court when real James is sitting. And Beverley is playing the same style either with James H. or with Jeremy L.

    One thing very interesting, in last season, Beverley's turnover rate was 1.0 when he is playing together with Jeremy but no James, and his turnover rate is 1.7 when he is playing with James Harden but no Jeremy. But if he is playing without either Jeremy nor James, his TOR jumped to 4.8. Well, I just feel this data is amusing, but don't read too much into it.
     
  5. TTNN

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    uh, is there any real talk regarding 6th man possibility? So far only thing from Feigen or Friedman is who would coming off the bench, and I don't hear anyone, coaches especially mention anything about 6th man yet.

    Given the move coaches made, I don't get the Lin playing 6th man role. Jeremy would only be allowed to do that when coaches start to think they will need to take the ball out of James Harden's hand. It will not happen if coaches think it is the most effective for the team when we put the ball in James hand.
     
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    Okay we can agree to disagree. If you think McHale will play Harden 38 minutes even when the Rockets are consistently outscoring teams with him resting and blowing them out, then that's your prerogative.
     
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    Your best player will always log heavy minutes unless they are injured. Didn't the best in the business log 38+ minutes a game ? Im talking Lebron James.

    Also didn't the 2nd best at the age of 35 log 38+ minutes a game before the injury.

    I can name a lot of Superstar's in their prime logging 38+minutes a game. How many did the Dream log in his prime Coach?

    Hey it looks like you and your tag team partner was right on the money about Bev starting.
     
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    Clippers had the best bench, and guess what? Chris Paul and Blake Griffin only played 32 and 33 minutes. Andre Iguodala only played 35 minutes, same for Westbrook.

    So no, best players don't always log heavy minutes.

    And why are you using Kobe Bryant as an example? The Lakers needed him to play heavy minutes because they struggled.


    I have no idea what you are referencing to.

    But at least you realize now that Lin is not better than Chris Paul and Derrick Rose.
     
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    Roxxy you are indeed correct ma'am.
     
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    You never ever ever seen me say Lin was better than those two. Ive stated last season that Lin was right around the middle at 17. He is a 2nd tier point quard with a lot of potential to grow. Pimp dont confuse me with what yall call LoF.

    Well lets put it like this around 90% (Superstar players in their primes logs heavy minutes). So you can best believe Harden will log 38+ a game.
     
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    Oh, you mean it's not nice to make things up? Good to know you learnt your lesson.

    NBA all-star roster and the minutes they averaged.

    West:
    Kevin Durant: 38.6
    James Harden: 38.1
    Dwight Howard: 35.7
    Blake Griffin: 32.5
    Kobe Bryant: 38.6
    Lamarcus Aldridge: 37.6
    Tim Duncan: 30
    David Lee: 36.7
    Tony Parker: 33
    Zach Randolph: 34.3
    Russell Westbrook: 34.9
    Chris Paul: 33.4

    East:
    Lebron James: 37.8
    Dwyane Wade: 34.6
    Paul George: 37.5
    Carmelo Anthony: 37
    Rajon Rondo: 37.4
    Kevin Garnett: 29.8
    Chris Bosh: 33.2
    Luol Deng: 38.6
    Tyson Chandler: 32.7
    Jrue Holiday: 37.4
    Kyrie Irving: 34.7
    Joakim Noah: 36.7
    Brook Lopez: 30.5

    How many players do you notice playing 38+ minutes a game?
     
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    How many Superstars in that bunch?

    37.8 Lol too funny.

    80% of those players are not Superstars bwhahahahaha but good try though.
     
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    Let's say the top 10 players in the league this coming season are superstars or near superstars. ESPN rank is not a perfect rank of the top 10 players but it has an aggregate score from the panel.

    ESPNrank:

    1. Lebron James: 37.8
    2. Kevin Durant: 38.6
    3. Chris Paul: 33.4
    4. James Harden: 38.1
    5. Russell Westbrook: 34.9
    6. Steph Curry: 38.3
    7. Dwight Howard: 35.7
    8. Kyrie Irving: 34.7
    9. Derrick Rose: (2012) 35.2
    10. Marc Gasol: 34.9

    If you can do basic math, you can see that "90%" of the superstars do not play 38+ minutes.
     
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    That is kinda fascinating. I assume that is mostly playing in garbage minutes with bottom of the bench players if neither Jeremy nor James were on the court, but it is a bit of a suprise.
     
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    I feel like you are deliberately missing my point. There is no guarantee that the rockets will consistently outscore teams nor is there any certainty that we will have the best bench in the NBA that is all wishful thinking. Second, you don't seriously think that if McHale had the choice between running Lin on the 2nd team and running Harden with the 2nd team mcHale wouldn't consistently chose the superior player aka Harden? Once again wishful thinking to believe otherwise.
     
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    Once again CP3 has a history of past knee issues & Blake had surgery the summer before season started because he tore his meniscus at Team USA practice and also the coaching practices of Vinny Delnegro is hardly something that we should aspire to emulate.
     
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    McHale doesn't control how many minutes Harden plays. Harden decides how many minutes he plays. How many times have we seen Harden checking himself back into the game? Harden will make a run for the scoring title this year and needs a lot of PT. The organization will not stop Harden from pursuing more points if he has a legitimate chance for the scoring title.
     
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    LOF on FULL r****d
     
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    Let me guess, you're a hater and you don't have Comcast.

    Oh and don't mind replying. I just added you to my ignore list so I won't see your post. Naming calling is not my game.
     
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    I personally never saw that.
     

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